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Debs Lieutenant
Joined: 22 Aug 2004 Posts: 228 Location: Lubbock, Texas
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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I think one of the giveaways to these 4 documents being fraudulent is in the superscripts. I typed a lot in the 1970's and no typewriter I ever used had an automatic superscript - we always had to roll up the carriage a 1/2 roll and type in the superscript - and the print was the same size in the superscript as the regular text, not smaller as in one of these documents that the typist forgot to correct the superscript. In the 1980's I typed a lot of theses on a Canon AP400 electronic typewriter with daisy wheels - as best I remember, I had to put in a code to put in a superscript or a subscript - I do not remember them being put in automatically.
In one of the memos, it is interesting to note that in the first part of the memo, "1st Lt." and "147th" were used, but a bit later in the same memo - same typist, "147 th" and "9921 st" are put in WITH A SPACE LEFT AFTER THE NUMBERS - why the spaces? In the first two instances, the typist spaced a space and typed the "st" and "th" and then DELETED THE SPACE between the letters and the numbers, thus preventing the word processor they were using to automatically put in a superscript. BUT IN THE LATTER TWO INSTANCES, THE TYPIST FORGOT TO DELETE THE SPACES BETWEEN THE NUMBERS AND THE LETTERS. A dead give away to what the typist was doing - trying to correct the automatic superscript the word processor would put in. Someone on this thread mentioned how to do this earlier, I am sorry I forgot who, but they were exactly right, and these documents to me prove that is what the typist was doing
Also in another memo they forgot to correct the automatic superscript and the superscipt is smaller than the regular print, suggesting either a word processor or an electronic typewriter, and I am not sure either was available in the early 70's.
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Rdtf CNO
Joined: 13 May 2004 Posts: 2209 Location: BUSHville
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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Good going Debbie |
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ASPB Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
Joined: 01 Jun 2004 Posts: 1680
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, I sent it to Powerline, Instapundit, and Cap'n Ed shortly after I started the thread here. With the help of my friends here we developed the story in about an hour. 2 hours later it's all over the internet. By this evening I'd bet it's a lead on Fox News.
God, I love the smell of teamwork in the morning!
Special thanks to YGTBK!
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gulf1609 Seaman Apprentice
Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 78
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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Lucianne.com carrying this post as her Blogosphere truth of the day! |
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You GottaBeKidding Rear Admiral
Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 692
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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Tom,
Does anyone have a copy of the two memos that the White House is supposed to have released? I'm reading that the White House admits to having two of the memos but I want to see the White House version.
I'm still VERY suspicious. |
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noc PO1
Joined: 24 Aug 2004 Posts: 492 Location: Dublin, CA
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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Debs wrote: | I think one of the giveaways to these 4 documents being fraudulent is in the superscripts. I typed a lot in the 1970's and no typewriter I ever used had an automatic superscript - we always had to roll up the carriage a 1/2 roll and type in the superscript - and the print was the same size in the superscript as the regular text, not smaller as in one of these documents that the typist forgot to correct the superscript. In the 1980's I typed a lot of theses on a Canon AP400 electronic typewriter with daisy wheels - as best I remember, I had to put in a code to put in a superscript or a subscript - I do not remember them being put in automatically.
In one of the memos, it is interesting to note that in the first part of the memo, "1st Lt." and "147th" were used, but a bit later in the same memo - same typist, "147 th" and "9921 st" are put in WITH A SPACE LEFT AFTER THE NUMBERS - why the spaces? In the first two instances, the typist spaced a space and typed the "st" and "th" and then DELETED THE SPACE between the letters and the numbers, thus preventing the word processor they were using to automatically put in a superscript. BUT IN THE LATTER TWO INSTANCES, THE TYPIST FORGOT TO DELETE THE SPACES BETWEEN THE NUMBERS AND THE LETTERS. A dead give away to what the typist was doing - trying to correct the automatic superscript the word processor would put in. Someone on this thread mentioned how to do this earlier, I am sorry I forgot who, but they were exactly right, and these documents to me prove that is what the typist was doing
Also in another memo they forgot to correct the automatic superscript and the superscipt is smaller than the regular print, suggesting either a word processor or an electronic typewriter, and I am not sure either was available in the early 70's.
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Thanks Debs, You did a much better job of explaining this then I did. |
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You GottaBeKidding Rear Admiral
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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I'll bet if we got our mitts on the original documents, we would discover that they were not printed on an impact printer (typewriter or daisy wheel).
The least the moron who forged these could do would be to find a real typewriter! |
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Senior Chier Seaman Recruit
Joined: 09 Sep 2004 Posts: 1
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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Even a memo for the record would have letterhead. Where is the letterhead for the memo??? _________________ OSCS (SW)
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Rdtf CNO
Joined: 13 May 2004 Posts: 2209 Location: BUSHville
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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gulf1609 wrote: | Lucianne.com carrying this post as her Blogosphere truth of the day! |
It is a DIRECT link to this thread! |
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You GottaBeKidding Rear Admiral
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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Powerlineblog is reporting that the issue has been resolved and is covered at littlegreenfootballs but I can't get there! |
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GoophyDog PO1
Joined: 10 Jun 2004 Posts: 480 Location: Washington - The Evergreen State
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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YGK: Definitely not a wheel. Look closely at some of the letter alignments and you'll see some that carry down (are below normal line of print) Usually indicative of a fast hit or a backspace correction.
You are right though, would need originals or a very good scan of them to see what it really going on.
Not that it really matters. This horse is not only beaten dead, its glue. _________________ Why ask? Because it needs asking. |
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You GottaBeKidding Rear Admiral
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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I'm thinking that some of the apparent alignment oddities are scanning artifacts. I don't think you'd have found a regular typewriter (not wheel or ball) that had proportional keys. |
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Skywatch Ensign
Joined: 22 Aug 2004 Posts: 74 Location: Michigan
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Rdtf CNO
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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this is a good sign - the littl egreen footballs site is busy busy busy. I still am having trouble getting on it |
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noc PO1
Joined: 24 Aug 2004 Posts: 492 Location: Dublin, CA
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 6:12 pm Post subject: Re: Signatures? |
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Does someone have the original link on the second document? I am trying to send out a media blast. |
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