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Kerry's medal "process" OK'd by US Navy
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IFF Beacon
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Route said,
"For these reasons, I have determined that Senator Kerry's awards were properly approved and will take no further action in this matter."

"The Navy IG obviously is afraid of the political ramifications of a thorough investigation into a presidential candidate’s service record," Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton said, adding that he may appeal the decision.

.....it's a political decision by the IG.....too bad.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Navy is never wrong. All they said was if John Kerry received medals he did not deserve, they followed the proper chain of command and procedures correctly in giving him the medals that he might not deserve. If you have any questions, please reread my first sentence.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It appears to me to be that the Navy in its issuance of these statements is not delivering anything material - it is merely stating that proper procedures were adhered to in reviewing reports and awarding medals as a result of those reports. Nothing more. The Navy is NOT discussing the circumstances surrounding the events involving Kerry that allowed him to attain the awards.
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IFF Beacon
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raven wrote:
The Navy is NOT discussing the circumstances surrounding the events involving Kerry that allowed him to attain the awards.


.....I agree.....

.....and the IG's decision is to "take no further action"......unfortunately.....
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Using the Navy IG's logic, a cow with Mad Cow disease is okay to process into the food chain, since it has the Official USDA stamp of approval.

Just because it's OFFICIAL, doesn't make it RIGHT.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course, if you don't get satisfaction from the US Navy IG, you CAN go up the Chain of Command, just like in the real military.

(note to Admin, this is US Government publicly promulgated information, link here: http://www.ignet.gov/igs/homepage1.html )

Defense, Department of
The Honorable Joseph E. Schmitz, Inspector General

Main Phone Number: (703) 604-8300
Mailing Address: 400 Army Navy Drive; Arlington, VA 22202-4704
Hotline Number: (800) 424-9098; (703) 604-8799; Fax #: (703) 604-8567
email: hotline@dodig.osd.mil

My suggestion is to keep your email SHORT and to the point. Something similar to:

Dear Sir:

The recent statement by the Inspector General, US Navy regarding the investigation of discrepancies between the official records and eyewitness testimony of many of the men present during the actions involving John F. Kerry while serving in the Republic of Vietnam is unsatisfactory.

The statement implies that the events were long ago, and that the proper procedures were followed, but fails to address the circumstances and actions of the principals.

An investigation is warranted, closing the books on this case with a cursory examination of the records is not only a discredit to the Office of the Inspector General, it is a disservice to the American Public.

Very Respectfully,
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the link. My letter is sent. I was frustrated not knowing what to do about this cover-up. I also sent the link to my email groups.

Sam
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I was frustrated not knowing what to do about this cover-up.


It is NOT a cover-up. It is a Memorandum from the IG (a rear admiral) to his superior, *recommending* that he consider the investigation complete because the proper paperwork was filed.

The MAJOR issue is NOT the paperwork (although, there are a TON of discrepencies in what WE are allowed to see), the issue is in the CIRCUMSTANCES and the EVENTS and the sworn testimony of MANY eyewitnesses.

As far as I know, NONE of the principles were interviewed by the Navy IG. What he did was run a records check. And the records check showed everyone signed their paperwork. Some of the paperwork had multiple signatures, and varying text. THREE Silver Star citations? TWO Bronze Star citations? Several iterations of Purple Heart citations, with very odd dates?

How ANY of that passed the Navy "smell test" for the IG baffles me.

How ALL of it passed just flat AMAZES me.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sent an email using your format, cipher. Thank you. Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like I said; why the cover-up?

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 2:22 am    Post subject: Re: Kerry's medal "process" OK'd by US Navy Reply with quote

[quote="RiflemanDD730"]The following was sent to the Navy Inspector General.

Subject: IMMEDIATE PUBLIC CLARIFICATION OF R.A. ROUTE 9/17/04 LETTER
To: NAVIGHotlines@navy.mil
CC: "Glenn Reynolds" <pundit@instapundit.com>, "Michael Dobbs" <dobbsm@washpost.com>, feedback@powerlineblog.com, hannity@foxnews.com, "Hugh" <hhewitt@hughhewitt.com>, "Brit Hume" <Special@foxnews.com>, joe@msnbc.com, "Ed Morrisey" <captain@captainsquartersblog.com>

I'm missing something.... who sent this?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 2:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beats me, el-tee.

Looks like someone wants to make waves with NAVIG.... And wants the entire planet to know about it.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok guys and gals, let's blast the email address with tons of letters!
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 2:44 am    Post subject: Re: Kerry's medal "process" OK'd by US Navy Reply with quote

[quote="Stevie"]
RiflemanDD730 wrote:
The following was sent to the Navy Inspector General.

Subject: IMMEDIATE PUBLIC CLARIFICATION OF R.A. ROUTE 9/17/04 LETTER
To: NAVIGHotlines@navy.mil
CC: "Glenn Reynolds" <pundit@instapundit.com>, "Michael Dobbs" <dobbsm@washpost.com>, feedback@powerlineblog.com, hannity@foxnews.com, "Hugh" <hhewitt@hughhewitt.com>, "Brit Hume" <Special@foxnews.com>, joe@msnbc.com, "Ed Morrisey" <captain@captainsquartersblog.com>

I'm missing something.... who sent this?


I think RiflemanDD730 sent it and posted a copy here. Use the address and respectfully hammer the Navy IG and copy the bloggers as well.

Tom
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what does the following mean?

Quote:
Personnel Casualty Reports: The procedure: A man is wounded and sees an MD or HM. After treatment or MEDEVAC his condition, prognosis, disposition is transmitted to the command maintaining his service record; in our case, the records were maintained by NSA Det An Thoi. The CO (me) did not get a "CHOP" on the PCRs. The were sent action to SECNAV, info everyone else. The PH decision was made by the awards division in SECNAV


So now what happens when the documentation sent to SECNAV for the decision are found to be fradulent?

Well?

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