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IFF Beacon Seaman Recruit
Joined: 18 Sep 2004 Posts: 8
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Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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Route said,
"For these reasons, I have determined that Senator Kerry's awards were properly approved and will take no further action in this matter."
"The Navy IG obviously is afraid of the political ramifications of a thorough investigation into a presidential candidate’s service record," Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton said, adding that he may appeal the decision.
.....it's a political decision by the IG.....too bad.
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LimaCharlie PO2
Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 386 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 12:12 am Post subject: |
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The Navy is never wrong. All they said was if John Kerry received medals he did not deserve, they followed the proper chain of command and procedures correctly in giving him the medals that he might not deserve. If you have any questions, please reread my first sentence. _________________ I was going to become an anarchist, but they had too many rules. |
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Raven Seaman Recruit
Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 27 Location: Minneapolis
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 12:24 am Post subject: |
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It appears to me to be that the Navy in its issuance of these statements is not delivering anything material - it is merely stating that proper procedures were adhered to in reviewing reports and awarding medals as a result of those reports. Nothing more. The Navy is NOT discussing the circumstances surrounding the events involving Kerry that allowed him to attain the awards. _________________ The American dream is not that every man must be level with every other man. The American dream is that every man must be free to become whatever God intends he should become. -Ronald Reagan |
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IFF Beacon Seaman Recruit
Joined: 18 Sep 2004 Posts: 8
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 12:31 am Post subject: |
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Raven wrote: | The Navy is NOT discussing the circumstances surrounding the events involving Kerry that allowed him to attain the awards. |
.....I agree.....
.....and the IG's decision is to "take no further action"......unfortunately..... |
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cipher Vice Admiral
Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 902
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 12:36 am Post subject: |
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Using the Navy IG's logic, a cow with Mad Cow disease is okay to process into the food chain, since it has the Official USDA stamp of approval.
Just because it's OFFICIAL, doesn't make it RIGHT. _________________ USMC 69-72, 7th Comm, 3rd MarDiv, FMFPAC
US Army 75-79, 97th Sig, SHAPE, NATO
Arkansas National Guard 79
Defense contractor for US Navy, SSPO, SP-20, SP-24, OP-12 84-92 |
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cipher Vice Admiral
Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 902
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 12:56 am Post subject: |
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Of course, if you don't get satisfaction from the US Navy IG, you CAN go up the Chain of Command, just like in the real military.
(note to Admin, this is US Government publicly promulgated information, link here: http://www.ignet.gov/igs/homepage1.html )
Defense, Department of
The Honorable Joseph E. Schmitz, Inspector General
Main Phone Number: (703) 604-8300
Mailing Address: 400 Army Navy Drive; Arlington, VA 22202-4704
Hotline Number: (800) 424-9098; (703) 604-8799; Fax #: (703) 604-8567
email: hotline@dodig.osd.mil
My suggestion is to keep your email SHORT and to the point. Something similar to:
Dear Sir:
The recent statement by the Inspector General, US Navy regarding the investigation of discrepancies between the official records and eyewitness testimony of many of the men present during the actions involving John F. Kerry while serving in the Republic of Vietnam is unsatisfactory.
The statement implies that the events were long ago, and that the proper procedures were followed, but fails to address the circumstances and actions of the principals.
An investigation is warranted, closing the books on this case with a cursory examination of the records is not only a discredit to the Office of the Inspector General, it is a disservice to the American Public.
Very Respectfully, _________________ USMC 69-72, 7th Comm, 3rd MarDiv, FMFPAC
US Army 75-79, 97th Sig, SHAPE, NATO
Arkansas National Guard 79
Defense contractor for US Navy, SSPO, SP-20, SP-24, OP-12 84-92 |
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Aristotle The Hun PO1
Joined: 18 Aug 2004 Posts: 488 Location: Naples FL
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 1:21 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the link. My letter is sent. I was frustrated not knowing what to do about this cover-up. I also sent the link to my email groups.
Sam _________________ Deportè Monsieur Kerrè |
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cipher Vice Admiral
Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 902
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 1:49 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | I was frustrated not knowing what to do about this cover-up. |
It is NOT a cover-up. It is a Memorandum from the IG (a rear admiral) to his superior, *recommending* that he consider the investigation complete because the proper paperwork was filed.
The MAJOR issue is NOT the paperwork (although, there are a TON of discrepencies in what WE are allowed to see), the issue is in the CIRCUMSTANCES and the EVENTS and the sworn testimony of MANY eyewitnesses.
As far as I know, NONE of the principles were interviewed by the Navy IG. What he did was run a records check. And the records check showed everyone signed their paperwork. Some of the paperwork had multiple signatures, and varying text. THREE Silver Star citations? TWO Bronze Star citations? Several iterations of Purple Heart citations, with very odd dates?
How ANY of that passed the Navy "smell test" for the IG baffles me.
How ALL of it passed just flat AMAZES me. _________________ USMC 69-72, 7th Comm, 3rd MarDiv, FMFPAC
US Army 75-79, 97th Sig, SHAPE, NATO
Arkansas National Guard 79
Defense contractor for US Navy, SSPO, SP-20, SP-24, OP-12 84-92 |
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Raven Seaman Recruit
Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 27 Location: Minneapolis
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 1:49 am Post subject: |
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I sent an email using your format, cipher. Thank you. _________________ The American dream is not that every man must be level with every other man. The American dream is that every man must be free to become whatever God intends he should become. -Ronald Reagan |
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Aristotle The Hun PO1
Joined: 18 Aug 2004 Posts: 488 Location: Naples FL
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 1:51 am Post subject: |
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Like I said; why the cover-up?
Sam _________________ Deportè Monsieur Kerrè |
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Stevie Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 1451 Location: Queen Creek, Arizona
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 2:22 am Post subject: Re: Kerry's medal "process" OK'd by US Navy |
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[quote="RiflemanDD730"]The following was sent to the Navy Inspector General.
Subject: IMMEDIATE PUBLIC CLARIFICATION OF R.A. ROUTE 9/17/04 LETTER
To: NAVIGHotlines@navy.mil
CC: "Glenn Reynolds" <pundit@instapundit.com>, "Michael Dobbs" <dobbsm@washpost.com>, feedback@powerlineblog.com, hannity@foxnews.com, "Hugh" <hhewitt@hughhewitt.com>, "Brit Hume" <Special@foxnews.com>, joe@msnbc.com, "Ed Morrisey" <captain@captainsquartersblog.com>
I'm missing something.... who sent this? _________________ Stevie
Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage
morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should
be arrested, exiled or hanged. |
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cipher Vice Admiral
Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 902
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 2:27 am Post subject: |
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Beats me, el-tee.
Looks like someone wants to make waves with NAVIG.... And wants the entire planet to know about it. _________________ USMC 69-72, 7th Comm, 3rd MarDiv, FMFPAC
US Army 75-79, 97th Sig, SHAPE, NATO
Arkansas National Guard 79
Defense contractor for US Navy, SSPO, SP-20, SP-24, OP-12 84-92 |
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buffman LCDR
Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 437
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 2:34 am Post subject: |
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Ok guys and gals, let's blast the email address with tons of letters! _________________ Never Ever Give Up
America First |
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ASPB Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
Joined: 01 Jun 2004 Posts: 1680
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 2:44 am Post subject: Re: Kerry's medal "process" OK'd by US Navy |
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[quote="Stevie"] RiflemanDD730 wrote: | The following was sent to the Navy Inspector General.
Subject: IMMEDIATE PUBLIC CLARIFICATION OF R.A. ROUTE 9/17/04 LETTER
To: NAVIGHotlines@navy.mil
CC: "Glenn Reynolds" <pundit@instapundit.com>, "Michael Dobbs" <dobbsm@washpost.com>, feedback@powerlineblog.com, hannity@foxnews.com, "Hugh" <hhewitt@hughhewitt.com>, "Brit Hume" <Special@foxnews.com>, joe@msnbc.com, "Ed Morrisey" <captain@captainsquartersblog.com>
I'm missing something.... who sent this? |
I think RiflemanDD730 sent it and posted a copy here. Use the address and respectfully hammer the Navy IG and copy the bloggers as well.
Tom _________________ On Sale! Order in lots of 100 now at velero@rcn.com Free for the cost of shipping All profits (if any, especially now) go to Swiftvets. The author of "Sink Kerry Swiftly" ---ASPB |
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NavyChief Rear Admiral
Joined: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 627 Location: Boise, Idaho
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 2:54 am Post subject: |
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So what does the following mean?
Quote: | Personnel Casualty Reports: The procedure: A man is wounded and sees an MD or HM. After treatment or MEDEVAC his condition, prognosis, disposition is transmitted to the command maintaining his service record; in our case, the records were maintained by NSA Det An Thoi. The CO (me) did not get a "CHOP" on the PCRs. The were sent action to SECNAV, info everyone else. The PH decision was made by the awards division in SECNAV |
So now what happens when the documentation sent to SECNAV for the decision are found to be fradulent?
Well?
- Chief _________________ Working with Senator Kerry four years in the POW/MIA Office left me thinking -- when did the man ever do any work? |
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