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Reference Sites
Advocacy & Intelligence Index For POWs-MIAs Archives http://www.aiipowmia.com/
>Documents, Articles, Testimony, Reports for Southeast Asia http://www.aiipowmia.com/sea/
...Including:Senate Select Committee Testimony & Depositions http://www.aiipowmia.com/ssc/ssctest.html
...The John F.McCreary Memoranda -The Memos That May Have Saved the Oral Intelligence Briefing http://www.aiipowmia.com/ssc/mccreary.html
| Quote: | Memorandum for: Vice Chairman, Senate Select Committee on Prisoners of War and Missing in Action
From: John F. McCreary
Subject: Legal Misconduct and Possible Malpractice in the Select Committee |
............John Kerry ordered the shredding of POW/MIA related documents.
The Hanoi Hilton
http://www.soft-vision.com/hanoi/frame.html
Camp Diagrams / POW pics & stories
> warning -- may need tissues at this site
State Department Accused of Stifling POW-MIA Probe /KGB Plan to move American POWs to Russia
http://www.geocities.com/pentagon/2527/kgbplan.html
Testimonials from POWs
http://www.stolenhonor.com/
The Quang 1205 Document
Report of the Deputy Chief of the General Staff of the VNA [Vietnamese People’s Army] General-Lieutenant Tran Van Quang
at the Politburo Meeting of the TSK PTV 15 September 1972
http://www.ojc.org/powforum/1205doc.htm
The Authentication Of the Quang 1205 Document
http://www.ojc.org/powforum/pwmiaf1a.htm
| Quote: | | A General of the Vietnamese Army made a report to the Vietnamese Central Committee, a closed session of that Committee and he was reporting on, in part, the fact that in September, 1972 the Vietnamese were holding 1,205 Americans as Prisoner of War. As we know only 591 came home. |
DOD Personnel Missing - Southeast Asia (PMSEA) Database
http://www.dtic.mil/dpmo/pmsea/index.htm
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Articles
US News & World Report Inside Story
HOW THE POW's FOUGHT BACK
By John S. McCain III / Lieut. Commander, U.S. Navy
May 14, 1973
http://www.ojc.org/powforum/capital/mccain/730514.txt
The War Secrets Sen. John McCain Hides
Former POW Fights Public Access to POW/MIA Files
April 25, 2000
By Sydney Schanberg
http://www.aiipowmia.com/sea/schanberg_mccain.html
Senator covered up evidence of P.O.W.'s left behind
When John Kerry's Courage Went M.I.A.
by Sydney H. Schanberg February 24th, 2004
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0408/schanberg.php
A closer look at an ugly issue
Did America Abandon Vietnam War P.O.W.'s? Part 1
by Sydney H. Schanberg February 25 - March 2, 2004
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0408/schanberg2.php
A closer look at an ugly issue
Did America Abandon Vietnam War P.O.W.'s? Part 2
by Sydney H. Schanberg February 25 - March 2, 2004
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0408/schanberg3.php
When Kerry worked with Cheney on Vietnam P.O.W.'S
Brothers-in-Cover-up
by Sydney H. Schanberg
August 3rd, 2004
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0431/schanberg.php
THE AMERICAN SPECTATOR "The MIA Cover-Up"
By John Corry February, 1994
http://www.aiipowmia.com/reports/corry.html
Kerry: Shredding documents, abandoning veterans
February 2004
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37070
Kerry '71 testimony caused POW 'flashback'
Officer recalls accusations aired over PA at 'Hanoi Hilton' prison
Paul Galanti / he and his wife made the cover of Newsweek when he returned in 1973 after 2,432 days in captivity.
August 2004
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40114
McCain: Hanoi Hilton Jailers Used Kerry Speech Against Us
August 2004
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/8/5/183220.shtml
Seared in Their Memories
Former POWs remember Kerry all too painfully well
Deroy Murdock
October 07, 2004
http://www.nationalreview.com/murdock/murdock200410070853.asp
includes statements by:
James Warner, Leo Thorsness, Ken Cordier, Paul Galanti, Tom Collins
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Thats a start! Please contribute to the topic.
Consolidate information for newbies, lurkers , et all
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This link will put an enormous amount of info & documents at your fingertips.......1 stop shopping {the most inclusive I've found to date}
http://www.aiipowmia.com/
Excellent site,
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Open Letter To Kerry From Col. Hrdlicka
Please see this thread, for complete post & discussion
http://horse.he.net/~swiftpow/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=89857#89857
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| Quote: | | Senator Kerry, over the ocean the weak and the strong wait for the nation to come bring us home. We are being held against our will, locked away from yesterday many thousands of miles from home. Senator Kerry, Don’t you know I’m alive? How long do we have to suffer? Don’t they know we’re alive? No one knows degradation. No one feels the pain that I’ve known. So I’ll just wait for the nation to get here and bring me home. I’ve waited so long. The weight of the nation…how much more do I have to give? Is there a soul in the nation who could agree just to see if I live? Doesn’t anyone feel the sorrow? Doesn’t anyone feel the pain?…Lest we forget the brothers and sisters who fought for this great nation. |
Original Source
Scroll to Sept 28
http://americandaughter.blogspot.com/2004_09_26_americandaughter_archive.html
and link to the letter
http://www.americandaughter.com/powletter.html
a Col. Hrdlicka Memorial page
http://www.jenmartinez.com/mgallery19.html
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It’s a small World…….
by Navy Chief
Comments on his time with the US/Russia Joint Commission on POW/MIA
Read his post see discussion
here....
http://horse.he.net/~swiftpow/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=88323
a must read
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SBD has posted a link to some heavy research he's done, over on another thread (at Kerry Finances )
A whole buncha POW/MIA stuff, among other stuff, all in one place.
Everybody get some barf bags and download it. Here's Link to SBD's work:
http://66.135.39.97/FrancesZwenig.pdf
Looky here:
| Quote: | Page 178
Newsday, November 20, 1992
Staff director Zwenig has coached Vietnamese officials on how to explain the deaths of all POWs, as detailed in a July 17 memo from the American embassy in Laos. Kerry himself coached the Pentagon - this according to a Pentagon memo of Oct. 7 - on how to "put a lie to" the committee staff's conclusions that the photo imagery was valid evidence of the recent existence of POWs.
….. At this point, Kerry's staff director, Frances Zwenig, told the Pentagon people, in the words of the Pentagon's own memo, "that Senator Kerry had not intended the briefing to be carried on after he left and that DOD [Department of Defense] should not continue to answer questions." The DOD people then walked out on Sen. Smith. |
| Quote: | Page 180
Los Angeles Times, November 19, 1992
The Iowa senator (Grassley) said another memo, written Oct. 6, also upset him. It was in the form of a handwritten note to Kerry from his committee staff director, Frances Zwenig. It referred to a firm that asked to perform an independent analysis of the satellite imagery and ended with the notation that, "I am working on the script w/DIA," a reference to the Defense Intelligence Agency.
Neither Kerry nor Zwenig, who accompanied Kerry to Vietnam, could be reached for comment about the memo. |
| Quote: | 53 of 72 DOCUMENTS (page 183)
The Washington Times
November 16, 1992, Monday, Final Edition
That, apparently, was not enough for Mr. Kerry. A memorandum of a conversation between the senator and the DIA after the NBC report aired - in which Mr. Kerry writes that he advised the DIA on how to rebut the NBC report - is currently a matter of heated behind-the-scenes speculation on the committee and in the DIA. In addition, a letter written by Kerry staff director Frances Zwenig to a top Pentagon official on the question of DIA's interpretation of photo intelligence refers to Ms. Zwenig's having "already scripted it [a strategy for dealing with agency critics] with DIA," according to sources who have seen the letter. |
| Quote: | 55 of 72 DOCUMENTS (page 186)
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER
July 2, 1992, Thursday , FINAL
Zwenig said Hendon was fired by Kerry, a Massachusetts Democrat, and the committee's vice chairman, New Hampshire Republican Bob Smith, for mishandling classified documents and violating committee rules.
Hendon was a Republican House member from North Carolina in the 1980s.
Hendon said Kerry ordered the destruction of the investigators' analysis and findings after they were presented to committee members on April 8. He said Kerry was intent on delaying declassification of more than 40,000 intelligence documents until after the Nov. 3 vote. |
Mod Edit to fix link
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MSM Lead Nov 3 2004 "Kerry Oval Office Hopes killed by 10,000 Mice..."
Candidate had declared mice "only a nuisance".
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The American Spectator April, 1994 / May, 1994 (pg 154-155)
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That left them with 929 first-hand live-sighting reports, all involving two or more men allegedly seen in conditions indicating they were prisoners. They plotted the 929 sightings on a map of Southeast Asia, using pins to mark each one. Cambodia drew no pins; Laos and some areas of Vietnam drew only a few. Other areas of Vietnam, however, drew pins in clumps or clusters. In every place where there was a cluster, there was also a Vietnamese prison. The committee investigators, who, for technical reasons, were using live-sighting reports that extended only through 1989, drew an obvious conclusion: "that American prisoners of war have been held continuously after Operation Homecoming and remain[ed] in captivity in Vietnam and Laos as late as 1989."
I wrote that Senator Kerry was unhappy with the investigators' report, and that he told one of the investigators that if the report ever leaked out, "you'll wish you'd never been born" (not "they would wish they had never been born"). My source for this stands by his story. Actually, it is an inconsequential point. I also wrote that Frances Zwenig, the committee's staff director, ordered that all copies of the investigators' report be destroyed, and that their computer
files be purged.
Senator Kerry rejects my account of this, and then purports to tell the "truth" of what really happened. He says that "a small number of investigators for the committee minority presented their personal opinions," and that they relied on "so-called cluster mapping." He also says that the senators themselves examined the intelligence data on which the investigators based their finding, and found the data faulty. To prevent scurrilous leaks," he insists, the committee then "secured" all copies of the investigators' report. |
Taken from SBD's link
Thanks to SBD for doing the search & compiling the pdf!
Quick readthrough - pdf is 231 pgs, look for the POW/MIA items starting pg 147
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Kerry Discharge/MCc/Peterson/et.al??
Kerry Finances Thread
Ok, Vietnam Normalization....Douglas Peterson is 1st US Ambassador (POW) McCain POW (and who knows where he ties)/Kerry potential discharge problem, at least questions about VVAW, etc,
Now, Wouldn't it be helpful if Clinton interests, and others had a decorated hero war hero to help with their cause????
Can we make a tie in with possible discharge update motivation and POW/MIA and then back to Kerry'68-72 years and the war?
(I can almost hear the conversation: "Kerry, you blew it, we had you set up, and you blew it with the VVAW things, etc. Now we gotta fix you....)
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MSM Lead Nov 3 2004 "Kerry Oval Office Hopes killed by 10,000 Mice..."
Candidate had declared mice "only a nuisance".
States they "moved too Swiftly"....
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HEADLINE: Many say Ending Embargo Will Help Find MIAs in Vietnam
Sen. Robert Smith and Sen John KERRY January 24, 1994
One senator says it's a mistake to end the economic embargo against Vietnam.
But another says lifting the embargo will help the U.S. learn the fate of over 1,000 Americans still listed as missing in action.
See entire article & discussion here
http://horse.he.net/~swiftpow/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=89142
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CONGRESS SHOULD INVESTIGATE:
DID FOREIGN CONTRIBUTIONS SWAY POLICY TOWARD VIETNAM?
by Michael Benge
http://www.aiipowmia.com/sea/lippo_benge.html
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| Quote: | And it was reported that Frances Zwenig, Senator John Kerry's chief of staff for the now defunct Senate Select Committee on POW/MIAs, served for a short-time in the Vietnam interests section of Commerce until someone figured this might be viewed as a conflict of interest. As Kerry's aide, Zwenig, according to documents, coached the North Vietnamese to concoct plausible stories on the fate of POW/MIAs in order to show that Hanoi was cooperating to resolve the POW/MIA issue, a hurdle in the diplomatic dance to lift the trade embargo and renew relations with Vietnam.
Senator Kerry was caught on camera making a promise to the North Vietnamese communists that he would ensure that they weren't embarrassed by their concocted stories. Zwenig went on to serve with Madeleine Albright at the UN. Zwenig is now reportedly working with the Washington-based U.S.-Vietnam Trade Council, a group that lobbied heavily for lifting the trade embargo and renewing relations with Vietnam. Now their focus is to win most-favored nation (MFN) for the draconian communist regime in Vietnam, which recently burned a Buddhist Monastery in Hue and jailed the monks and nuns for advocating improved human rights, freedom of religion and democracy.
The question may be raised, who pays Zwenig's salary?
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full article and discussion here
http://horse.he.net/~swiftpow/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=102539#102539
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from a post above
| Quote: | Sen. ROBERT SMITH and Sen JOHN KERRY January 24, 1994
HEADLINE: Many say Ending Embargo Will Help Find MIAs in Vietnam
Sen. Robert Smith and Sen John KERRY January 24, 1994
One senator says it's a mistake to end the economic embargo against Vietnam.
But another says lifting the embargo will help the U.S. learn the fate of over 1,000 Americans still listed as missing in action.
See entire article & discussion here
http://horse.he.net/~swiftpow/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=102539#102539
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Sen. SMITH: …... Your agenda has been to lift the embargo. You wanted to lift the embargo in spite of the POW/MIA issue since 1990. You're on record as saying it. You know it and I know it. That's your agenda. My agenda is to get a counting before we lift the embargo.
WOODRUFF: Senator -
Sen. SMITH: Your agenda is to lift the embargo.
WOODRUFF: Senator Kerry, how much potential business are we talking about here between the United States and Vietnam?
Sen. KERRY: I don't have clue Judy and I've never made that part of my argument, ever, and Bob and everybody else knows, I traveled to Vietnam eight times. I fought to declassify documents. I've negotiated with the Vietnamese. I think that Bob knows, we worked side by side and closely, to get accountability and I voted against lifting the embargo last year in order to guarantee we were getting the accountability.
WOODRUFF: But clearly, there would be economic benefit for Vietnam and for some U.S. businesses if this embargo were lifted.
Sen. KERRY: Well, undoubtedly. But you asked me how much and I'm telling you I don't have a clue how much. |
Of Course He had a Clue in January 1994!
Biz leaders gear up for Vietnam trade (Boston Herald (MA), June 19, 1993
Deal will build Vietnam port (Boston Herald (MA), June 16, 1993
U.S. firms view Vietnam market ask end of embargo (Boston Herald (MA), February 15, 1993
From Feb 15 above
| Quote: | | "There's a lot of interest in the potential of a country with 71 million people who are literate, committed and eager, and where the wage scale is about $30 a month," said C. Stewart Forbes, president of Colliers International, a Boston-based real estate company with an affiliate in Ho Chi Minh City.” |
1. We know Kerry’s cousin Stewart Forbes scored a near Billion Dollar Deal for improving the port of Vung Tau in Vietnam immediately after the POW/MIA hearings and the normalization of trade push, by among others, JFKerry. Today Vung Tau is a city of 650,000 people, including 2,500 expatriates, Vung Tau is marked by cafes, bath houses, hotels galore, hostess bars, karaoke lounges, beach-side kiosks and oil rigs.
From the June 16 Article above
| Quote: | A Boston-based firm has helped broker a $905 million deal to develop a deep sea port in Vietnam in what was once a recreational area for U.S. troops. Colliers International, through partner firm Colliers Jardine in Singapore, has put together a plan that would bring big ships to Vung Tau, about 80 miles southeast of Ho Chi Minh City.
The four-year project, to start next year, is currently the largest investment scheme in Vietnam, said Colliers CEO Stewart Forbes.
"I think this represents the best elements of brokerage, matching a need - in this case a country - with the money and the capability," he said. "This kind of infrastructure is sorely needed in Vietnam."
Work at Vung Tau will be done largely by Japanese construction and engineering firms.
Direct investment in Vietnam has been forbidden by the United States since the 1975 collapse of the U.S.-sponsored South Vietnam government.
Colliers' involvement is legal because it is through a partner, Forbes said.
A number of U.S. firms, including Boeing, Kodak and DuPont, have opened offices in Vietnam hoping the embargo will soon be lifted. |
Kerry Had No Clue In January of 1994? Well, there's this bridge over the Ohio River, up the road at Cincinnati, and I can get you a good deal on it...PM me with your offer.
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MSM Lead Nov 3 2004 "Kerry Oval Office Hopes killed by 10,000 Mice..."
Candidate had declared mice "only a nuisance".
States they "moved too Swiftly"....
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Kerry Finances Thread
Lots of Zwenig, Kerry, others there....
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