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Inside the wire, photos Time didn't, but El Rushbo got.




:shock




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[kate]

[Army_(Ret)]

[Snipe]

Maybe we could rent some space in the Falkland Islands.
That would be a MUCH better place to house these people.
Why do we have to give them a nice climate?
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[blue9t3]

Good idea Army, but there is one drawback, once in havanna they would be stealing 1952 chevy pickups and turning them into boats and filling the bed with ied's. I could just hear all the whining when the coast guard starts picking them off!
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[Uisguex Jack]

New locale for Gitmo? Certainly, I sugest we keep it very quiet and get them to HYANNISPORT, as soon as possable.

After a couple of weeks of observing the liquor consumption per capita the inmates might be able to turn ole Teddy the K into a hawk..... A hawk who can swim:

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[Rdtf]

[GM Strong]

Illustrating absurdity with absurdity. El Rushbo has the following Club Gitmo T-shirts. Embarress a Liberal.



I'm not promoting the sale of them, just letting you know, you decide. I'm getting one. Senator Pat (the leaker) Leahy is already complaining.
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8th Army Korea 68-69

[God and Country]

Senator Dick Durbin's outrageous comments comparing the "AMERICAN MILITARY" to the "NAZI SS" and the "SOVIET KGB" IS "PURE TREASON". This is another example of "ENEMY WITHIN".


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[Tanya]

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/6/15/214234.shtml

Wednesday, June 15, 2005 9:40 p.m. EDT
Sen. Durbin: Gitmo GI's Behaved Like 'Nazis'

"Illinois Democratic Sen. Dick Durbin compared U.S. troops to Hitler's concentration camp guards on Tuesday, saying that the way American soldiers treated terrorists at the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay reminded him of the "Nazis."

Citing FBI accounts of terrorist detainees forced to go without heat or air conditioning, Durbin told the Senate:

Illinois Democratic Sen. Dick Durbin compared U.S. troops to Hitler's concentration camp guards on Tuesday, saying that the way American soldiers treated terrorists at the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay reminded him of the "Nazis."

Citing FBI accounts of terrorist detainees forced to go without heat or air conditioning, Durbin told the Senate:

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"If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime -- Pol Pot or others -- that had no concern for human beings."
"Sadly, that is not the case," added the number two Senate Democrat. "This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners."

Durbin's comments outraged radio host Rush Limbaugh, who was the first to broadcast the Illinois Democrat's remarks.

"Senator, I'm embarrassed for you," Limbaugh told his audience. "I'm embarrassed that you are an American. I'm embarrassed that you are a United States Senator. This is just over the top for you to draw this analogy."

Limbaugh noted that the heat endured by detainees at Guantanamo is actually less extreme than conditions faced by U.S. troops in Iraq.

"In Iraq right now where our troops are wearing all that body armor, it's 130 degrees, senator. It's 130 degrees in Iraq! It's 130 degrees around the country where a lot of our troops are working. It's freezing in parts of the world where our troops are working. It's hotter in Iraq than it is in a cell at Gitmo, where we have a terrorists who wants to blow up Americans that we're trying to get information from them."



You can send a message to dick here:
http://durbin.senate.gov/contact.cfm

[wwIIvetsdaughter]

The last refuge of brainless liberals when they have nothing to debate is to resort to the following namecalling cliches: Hitler or Nazis. Al (Tawana Brawley) Sharpton has used shamelessly the former in describing our President and now Durbin the latter in describing our wonderful miitary. I just hope enough people in his district wake the heck up and vote his rear end out of Congress!

[Army_(Ret)]

An excellent article from The New York Post that describes in detail exactly whats going on. Thank you, Ralph Peters!

New York Post

Online Edition

GITMO COCKTAIL

By RALPH PETERS
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June 16, 2005 -- THE demands to shut down our Guantanamo lock-up for terrorists have nothing to do with human rights. They're about punishing America for our power and success.
From our ailing domestic left to overseas America haters, no one really cares about the fate of Mustapha the Murderer or Ahmed the Assassin. The lies told about Gitmo are meant to undercut U.S. foreign policy and embarrass America.

The Gitmo controversy is about many things, from jealousy of the United States and outrage that we refuse to fail, to residual anger that we won the Cold War and exploded the left's great fantasy of a dictatorship of the intellectuals. But the one thing the protests aren't about is human rights.

Except, of course, as a means to slam the United States.

Torture? Who and when? Koran abuse? I'd rather be a Koran in Gitmo than a Bible in Saudi Arabia. Illegal detentions? Suggest a better way to handle hardcore terrorists. Maltreatment? Spare me. The food the prisoners receive is better than what I had to eat in the Army.

Another thing: Would it be more humane to incarcerate the declared enemies of civilization in northern Alaska, rather than on a Caribbean beach?

Has the Bush administration made mistakes regarding Guantanamo? You bet. The biggest one was attempting to placate the critics. By launching a new investigation every time a terrorist had a toothache, our government played into the hands of its enemies.



The truth is that the terrorists and their defenders have something in common. It's not courage, which is one quality violent fanatics don't lack. It's that neither can be appeased.

Any concession only increases their appetites. The Clinton administration's reluctance to respond to terrorist strikes encouraged al Qaeda. If the Bush administration closed the Guantanamo facility, any alternative holding center would be attacked just as rabidly and dishonestly.

If we put our captives up at the Four Seasons, we'd be condemned because somebody smelled bacon at breakfast.

You can't negotiate with terrorists. And you cannot reason with ideologues — whether they're Islamist fanatics or pathetic old lefties fishing for a cause to give meaning to squandered lives. Terrorists, French and German neo-Stalinists, and our own democracy-hating intelligentsia aren't interested in facts. It's all about the comfort of belief.

Let's get this straight: Nothing we could do would appease those who feel a need for our country to fail. We must stop trying to satisfy them.

There's a military maxim that applies to all the nonsense about Gitmo: Don't let the entire battalion get bogged down by a sniper. By attempting to respond to the wild charges leveled by those who offer no solutions themselves — who have no interest in solutions — we've allowed anti-American basket cases from Harvard Yard to the German parliament to create an issue from nothing.

Oh, and thanks to the "mainstream" media for assuming that our country's always wrong.

There is a culture of torture in the world. Blessedly, America isn't part of it. When a few of our troops make mistakes, they're punished. Given the magnitude of our task and the unprecedented conditions we face, it's remarkable our errors have been so few.

What should enrage every decent citizen is that the real torturers — from Zimbabwe to China, from Syria to North Korea — get a pass from the political left. If terrorists behead defenseless captives on videotape, it's simply an expression of their culture. But if a handful of U.S. troops play an ugly round of Candid Camera, that's a new gulag.

As someone who takes human rights seriously, I'm appalled by the lack of sympathy the left feels toward the victims of any regime other than the Bush administration. Let's shout it to prisoners everywhere: If you're not harmed by an American, your suffering doesn't count.

The left's hypocrisy is immeasurable. The grandchildren of those who defended Stalin are mortified that Saddam Hussein will stand trial. By taking such irresponsible voices seriously, we grant our critics a strength they otherwise lack and simply help them keep their lies alive.

No matter what our country does, we will never please a global intelligentsia outraged that all their theories came to nothing. We can't satisfy al Qaeda, and we can't please those discontented souls who need to blame the United States for their personal inadequacies. It's time we stopped trying.

What should our nation's leaders say about Guantanamo and our treatment of captured terrorists? A lot less.

When comments are unavoidable, try this: "We're human. We make mistakes. We fix those mistakes. And we move on. Nothing will divert us from our mission of defeating terror and keeping our country safe."

Ralph Peters' next book, "New Glory, Expanding America's Global Supremacy," is due out in August.






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[PC]

Lileks at his best:

http://www.lileks.com/screedblog/05/05/051305.html

Short excerpt: Time Magazine text is italic, Lileks in regular

[rparrott21]

Achmed Muhammad, a 32-year-old Pakistani, was a prisoner for 18 months at Guantanamo Bay Naval Base in Cuba. He has produced a list of charges, citing inhumane treatment by US military guards there. "I was repeatedly denied a shower, even though my dermatologist recommended at least one lukewarm bath per day. On more than one occasion, I asked for croutons on my salad and the request was categorically denied.

Lights out was generally by llpm, but one night I was reading aloud from the Koran just a few minutes after 11 when somebody outside my cell yelled for me to shut the $%&! up so that they could get some sleep.

As a result, I found it very difficult to fall asleep that night. Usually, I was gently informed that it was time to arise, but several times I felt like sleeping in and I was shaken until I awakened. This was most unnerving. I was interviewed a number of times and the questioning was tough and unrelenting. One time I got yelled at for making air bubbles with my spit. On another occasion, I was masturbating to a hot pic of a young infidel in 'Barely Legal' when a female guard walked past my cell and cooed, 'Oh, baby.'

This upset me so much that I was unable to reach orgasm.

I cannot imagine more inhumane conditions than I was forced to endure. The Jews still complain about the Nazis, but hey, compared to these American bastards, the Nazis were a bunch pussies..

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