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GM Strong Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
Joined: 18 Sep 2004 Posts: 1579 Location: Penna
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 1:32 am Post subject: |
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Inside the wire, photos Time didn't, but El Rushbo got.
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kate Admin
Joined: 14 May 2004 Posts: 1891 Location: Upstate, New York
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 1:46 am Post subject: Re: More Shameless "torture" at Gitmo |
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GM Strong wrote: | The utter brutality, the shameless inhumanity!!!
(On Drudge)
MAG: CHRISTINA AGUILERA MUSIC USED AS TORTURE IN GITMO
At least it wasn't Cher.  |
as Tony Snow mentioned yesterday morning ...
I don't remember these Bleeding Heart Liberals complaining when Janet Reno ordered the blaring music of Achy Breaky Heart by Billy Ray Cyrus at Waco right before the Clinton Administration had the place torched
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one of..... We The People |
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Army_(Ret) Lt.Jg.
Joined: 06 Aug 2004 Posts: 108
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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blue9t3 wrote: | If I were the head chef, It would be ham sandwiches or pickled pigs feet!
ps. from now on the skivies on the head should be refered to as the "lampshade manuever"  |
I have the complete solution. Since some are calling for GITMO to be closed down, close it! Release all the prisoners on the spot with directions straight into Havana. Since Castro is the absolute Godly Icon to the Anti-American left, let him handle the prisoners his way, and let's see how the American left reacts to that. We would be killing several birds with one stone. Remember the boatlift people back in the 80's, when Castro emptied all his prisons out? _________________ Peace is acheived through victory |
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Snipe Senior Chief Petty Officer
Joined: 03 Jun 2004 Posts: 574 Location: Peoria, Illinois
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe we could rent some space in the Falkland Islands.
That would be a MUCH better place to house these people.
Why do we have to give them a nice climate? _________________ Tin Can Sailor |
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blue9t3 Admiral
Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 1246 Location: oregon
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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Good idea Army, but there is one drawback, once in havanna they would be stealing 1952 chevy pickups and turning them into boats and filling the bed with ied's. I could just hear all the whining when the coast guard starts picking them off!  _________________ MOPAR-BUYER |
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Uisguex Jack Rear Admiral
Joined: 26 Jul 2004 Posts: 613
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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New locale for Gitmo? Certainly, I sugest we keep it very quiet and get them to HYANNISPORT, as soon as possable.
After a couple of weeks of observing the liquor consumption per capita the inmates might be able to turn ole Teddy the K into a hawk..... A hawk who can swim:
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Rdtf CNO
Joined: 13 May 2004 Posts: 2209 Location: BUSHville
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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blue9t3 wrote: | Good idea Army, but there is one drawback, once in havanna they would be stealing 1952 chevy pickups and turning them into boats and filling the bed with ied's. I could just hear all the whining when the coast guard starts picking them off!  |
I was thinking the same thing - good idea - except way to close to us to be free, especially since they all want us all dead. |
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GM Strong Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
Joined: 18 Sep 2004 Posts: 1579 Location: Penna
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Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 1:47 am Post subject: |
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Illustrating absurdity with absurdity. El Rushbo has the following Club Gitmo T-shirts. Embarress a Liberal.
I'm not promoting the sale of them, just letting you know, you decide. I'm getting one. Senator Pat (the leaker) Leahy is already complaining. _________________ 8th Army Korea 68-69 |
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God and Country PO3
Joined: 28 Aug 2004 Posts: 274 Location: God's country
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Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 2:13 am Post subject: |
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Senator Dick Durbin's outrageous comments comparing the "AMERICAN MILITARY" to the "NAZI SS" and the "SOVIET KGB" IS "PURE TREASON". This is another example of "ENEMY WITHIN".
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Tanya Senior Chief Petty Officer
Joined: 13 Aug 2004 Posts: 570
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Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 2:26 am Post subject: |
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http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/6/15/214234.shtml
Wednesday, June 15, 2005 9:40 p.m. EDT
Sen. Durbin: Gitmo GI's Behaved Like 'Nazis'
"Illinois Democratic Sen. Dick Durbin compared U.S. troops to Hitler's concentration camp guards on Tuesday, saying that the way American soldiers treated terrorists at the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay reminded him of the "Nazis."
Citing FBI accounts of terrorist detainees forced to go without heat or air conditioning, Durbin told the Senate:
Illinois Democratic Sen. Dick Durbin compared U.S. troops to Hitler's concentration camp guards on Tuesday, saying that the way American soldiers treated terrorists at the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay reminded him of the "Nazis."
Citing FBI accounts of terrorist detainees forced to go without heat or air conditioning, Durbin told the Senate:
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"If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime -- Pol Pot or others -- that had no concern for human beings."
"Sadly, that is not the case," added the number two Senate Democrat. "This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners."
Durbin's comments outraged radio host Rush Limbaugh, who was the first to broadcast the Illinois Democrat's remarks.
"Senator, I'm embarrassed for you," Limbaugh told his audience. "I'm embarrassed that you are an American. I'm embarrassed that you are a United States Senator. This is just over the top for you to draw this analogy."
Limbaugh noted that the heat endured by detainees at Guantanamo is actually less extreme than conditions faced by U.S. troops in Iraq.
"In Iraq right now where our troops are wearing all that body armor, it's 130 degrees, senator. It's 130 degrees in Iraq! It's 130 degrees around the country where a lot of our troops are working. It's freezing in parts of the world where our troops are working. It's hotter in Iraq than it is in a cell at Gitmo, where we have a terrorists who wants to blow up Americans that we're trying to get information from them."
You can send a message to dick here:
http://durbin.senate.gov/contact.cfm |
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wwIIvetsdaughter Captain
Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 513 Location: McAllen, Texas
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Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 3:32 am Post subject: |
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The last refuge of brainless liberals when they have nothing to debate is to resort to the following namecalling cliches: Hitler or Nazis. Al (Tawana Brawley) Sharpton has used shamelessly the former in describing our President and now Durbin the latter in describing our wonderful miitary. I just hope enough people in his district wake the heck up and vote his rear end out of Congress!  |
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Army_(Ret) Lt.Jg.
Joined: 06 Aug 2004 Posts: 108
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Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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An excellent article from The New York Post that describes in detail exactly whats going on. Thank you, Ralph Peters!
New York Post
Online Edition
GITMO COCKTAIL
By RALPH PETERS
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Email Archives
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June 16, 2005 -- THE demands to shut down our Guantanamo lock-up for terrorists have nothing to do with human rights. They're about punishing America for our power and success.
From our ailing domestic left to overseas America haters, no one really cares about the fate of Mustapha the Murderer or Ahmed the Assassin. The lies told about Gitmo are meant to undercut U.S. foreign policy and embarrass America.
The Gitmo controversy is about many things, from jealousy of the United States and outrage that we refuse to fail, to residual anger that we won the Cold War and exploded the left's great fantasy of a dictatorship of the intellectuals. But the one thing the protests aren't about is human rights.
Except, of course, as a means to slam the United States.
Torture? Who and when? Koran abuse? I'd rather be a Koran in Gitmo than a Bible in Saudi Arabia. Illegal detentions? Suggest a better way to handle hardcore terrorists. Maltreatment? Spare me. The food the prisoners receive is better than what I had to eat in the Army.
Another thing: Would it be more humane to incarcerate the declared enemies of civilization in northern Alaska, rather than on a Caribbean beach?
Has the Bush administration made mistakes regarding Guantanamo? You bet. The biggest one was attempting to placate the critics. By launching a new investigation every time a terrorist had a toothache, our government played into the hands of its enemies.
The truth is that the terrorists and their defenders have something in common. It's not courage, which is one quality violent fanatics don't lack. It's that neither can be appeased.
Any concession only increases their appetites. The Clinton administration's reluctance to respond to terrorist strikes encouraged al Qaeda. If the Bush administration closed the Guantanamo facility, any alternative holding center would be attacked just as rabidly and dishonestly.
If we put our captives up at the Four Seasons, we'd be condemned because somebody smelled bacon at breakfast.
You can't negotiate with terrorists. And you cannot reason with ideologues — whether they're Islamist fanatics or pathetic old lefties fishing for a cause to give meaning to squandered lives. Terrorists, French and German neo-Stalinists, and our own democracy-hating intelligentsia aren't interested in facts. It's all about the comfort of belief.
Let's get this straight: Nothing we could do would appease those who feel a need for our country to fail. We must stop trying to satisfy them.
There's a military maxim that applies to all the nonsense about Gitmo: Don't let the entire battalion get bogged down by a sniper. By attempting to respond to the wild charges leveled by those who offer no solutions themselves — who have no interest in solutions — we've allowed anti-American basket cases from Harvard Yard to the German parliament to create an issue from nothing.
Oh, and thanks to the "mainstream" media for assuming that our country's always wrong.
There is a culture of torture in the world. Blessedly, America isn't part of it. When a few of our troops make mistakes, they're punished. Given the magnitude of our task and the unprecedented conditions we face, it's remarkable our errors have been so few.
What should enrage every decent citizen is that the real torturers — from Zimbabwe to China, from Syria to North Korea — get a pass from the political left. If terrorists behead defenseless captives on videotape, it's simply an expression of their culture. But if a handful of U.S. troops play an ugly round of Candid Camera, that's a new gulag.
As someone who takes human rights seriously, I'm appalled by the lack of sympathy the left feels toward the victims of any regime other than the Bush administration. Let's shout it to prisoners everywhere: If you're not harmed by an American, your suffering doesn't count.
The left's hypocrisy is immeasurable. The grandchildren of those who defended Stalin are mortified that Saddam Hussein will stand trial. By taking such irresponsible voices seriously, we grant our critics a strength they otherwise lack and simply help them keep their lies alive.
No matter what our country does, we will never please a global intelligentsia outraged that all their theories came to nothing. We can't satisfy al Qaeda, and we can't please those discontented souls who need to blame the United States for their personal inadequacies. It's time we stopped trying.
What should our nation's leaders say about Guantanamo and our treatment of captured terrorists? A lot less.
When comments are unavoidable, try this: "We're human. We make mistakes. We fix those mistakes. And we move on. Nothing will divert us from our mission of defeating terror and keeping our country safe."
Ralph Peters' next book, "New Glory, Expanding America's Global Supremacy," is due out in August.
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PC PO3
Joined: 29 Aug 2004 Posts: 257 Location: Southern California
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:57 am Post subject: Lileks Snarks The "Torture' At Gitmo |
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Lileks at his best:
http://www.lileks.com/screedblog/05/05/051305.html
Short excerpt: Time Magazine text is italic, Lileks in regular
Quote: | Invasion of Space by Female: Over the next few days, al-Qahtani is subjected to a drill known as Invasion of Space by a Female
Mind you, this is considered punishment. Right now across America there are guys who are seriously peeved because they ordered “Invasion of Space by a Female IV” on pay-per-view and the cable went out. They’re on the phone admitting they wanted it, and demanding they get IV and V no charge, understood? |
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rparrott21 Master Chief Petty Officer
Joined: 19 Aug 2004 Posts: 760 Location: Mckinney, Texas
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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Achmed Muhammad, a 32-year-old Pakistani, was a prisoner for 18 months at Guantanamo Bay Naval Base in Cuba. He has produced a list of charges, citing inhumane treatment by US military guards there. "I was repeatedly denied a shower, even though my dermatologist recommended at least one lukewarm bath per day. On more than one occasion, I asked for croutons on my salad and the request was categorically denied.
Lights out was generally by llpm, but one night I was reading aloud from the Koran just a few minutes after 11 when somebody outside my cell yelled for me to shut the $%&! up so that they could get some sleep.
As a result, I found it very difficult to fall asleep that night. Usually, I was gently informed that it was time to arise, but several times I felt like sleeping in and I was shaken until I awakened. This was most unnerving. I was interviewed a number of times and the questioning was tough and unrelenting. One time I got yelled at for making air bubbles with my spit. On another occasion, I was masturbating to a hot pic of a young infidel in 'Barely Legal' when a female guard walked past my cell and cooed, 'Oh, baby.'
This upset me so much that I was unable to reach orgasm.
I cannot imagine more inhumane conditions than I was forced to endure. The Jews still complain about the Nazis, but hey, compared to these American bastards, the Nazis were a bunch pussies.. |
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GM Strong Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
Joined: 18 Sep 2004 Posts: 1579 Location: Penna
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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rparrott21 wrote: | Achmed Muhammad, a 32-year-old Pakistani, was a prisoner for 18 months at Guantanamo Bay Naval Base in Cuba. He has produced a list of charges, citing inhumane treatment by US military guards there. "I was repeatedly denied a shower, even though my dermatologist recommended at least one lukewarm bath per day. On more than one occasion, I asked for croutons on my salad and the request was categorically denied.
Lights out was generally by llpm, but one night I was reading aloud from the Koran just a few minutes after 11 when somebody outside my cell yelled for me to shut the $%&! up so that they could get some sleep.
As a result, I found it very difficult to fall asleep that night. Usually, I was gently informed that it was time to arise, but several times I felt like sleeping in and I was shaken until I awakened. This was most unnerving. I was interviewed a number of times and the questioning was tough and unrelenting. One time I got yelled at for making air bubbles with my spit. On another occasion, I was masturbating to a hot pic of a young infidel in 'Barely Legal' when a female guard walked past my cell and cooed, 'Oh, baby.'
This upset me so much that I was unable to reach orgasm.
I cannot imagine more inhumane conditions than I was forced to endure. The Jews still complain about the Nazis, but hey, compared to these American bastards, the Nazis were a bunch pussies.. |
What would you expect from a guy who hadn't seen a goat in 18 months. _________________ 8th Army Korea 68-69 |
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