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[LewWaters]

Over the years I have read several books related to Kennedy's assasination. Nearly all were plausible and few even agreed on the minutest of "evidence."

I am convinced that Oswald was not the lone gunman, probably not the gunman at all, but we'll never know now.

A couple years ago I visited Dealy Plaza for the first time in my life. The layout of the plaza and the "official" record of the killing don't add up to me.

As for who was actually behind it, that too we may never actually know since evidence has dissappeared (from the hands of RFK, no less) and no one has actually delved into any of it for over 20 years.

Some have said Kennedy was prepared to pull us out of Viet Nam in '64, after the election. Others say that isn't so.

I do know that Castro has adamantly maintained he was not behind it, but he remains the lone Communist nation we never made up with and established ties.

How this latest revelation will play out, if at all, remains to be seen. But, I doubt we will ever know the whole truth in our lifetimes.
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Clark County Conservative

[GenrXr]

I have always thought Castro was in some way involved, yet your right in that we will most likely never know. In my opinion JFK was the last ant-communist Democrat of prominence. If it ever did come out that Castro was responsible for JFK and/or RFK's death the left would have some explaining to do.
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[GM Strong]

Stone's movie was pure fiction of the Michael Moore type. They are soul mates in this mindset. Most of the conspiricy theories are bunk.

Read "Case Closed' by Gerald Posner and then visit Dealy Plaza. I believe Warren Commision basically got it right. Recent technology has reinforced it rather than called much into question.
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[FreeFall]

If you believe in these conspiracy theories, then read Case Closed as GM Strong mentioned.

Posner did a wonderful job and it convinced me that there is NO conspiracy theory. Did you know Oswald tried to kill a right wing Texas politician just before the JFK assassination? Most people don't; he almost did but a piece of wood in the window sash made the bullet deflect. Posner also takes issue with a lot of these books out there about the conspiracy. It is a must read.

[GM Strong]

[vet_supporter]

Read Case Open by Harold Weisberg who addresses all the problems with Posner's work. Weisberg disected Posner like he did the WCR.

Weisberg devoted his life to studying the case. He spent a great deal of time and his own money gathering the research, initiating FOIA suits, etc. Weisberg never had a political axe to grind. He just wanted the truth. He disected the WCR with a microscope and exposed it fallicies and shortcomings. He is so detailed his work is hard to read. In all his work, I never saw where he tried to claim who did it; all he did show was that the WCR was a distortion and in minute detail, demolished every aspect of it.

Lew is right; at this late stage the concrete truth will not be known as to who was actually behind it. However, it has been demonstrated that the Warren Commission Report was a fairy tale.

It has always amazed me how people get emotional on this topic. Some to the point that the WCR is a sacred text rather than a flawed, politically driven whitewash. I was around at the time of the WCR and none of my relatives believed what it said.

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[GM Strong]

I'm not going to make any other comment, but I do not find Weisberg credible. I've read the books, remember the day vividly, been to Dealy plaza, seen the documentaries and studied whatever I can get. My conclusion. Oswald did it and did not need help.
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[LewWaters]

GM, a simple question. I too have been to Dealy Plaza and vividly remember the day. Been up in the JFK Museum on the 6th floor and looked out of the window Oswald is supposed to have shot from. Also went behind the fence on the Grassy Knoll and viewed the "X" on the street where reenactments have placed Kennedy at the shooting.

Okay, now my question;

Why would any assasin, be it Oswald or anyone else, wait until the car is driving away from them and further away from the shooter, making the shooter have to shoot at an angle from the window, when the motorcade was initially a straight shot from the window once the motorcade turned towards the School Book Depository?

To me, it would be much easier to have taken a straight and short shot, which is exactly what you see from behind the fence on the Grassy Knoll.

This does not prove anything, mind you, just gives some insight into why so many don't accept the Warren Commission Report as written.

Several books are out, be they in support of the conspiracies or in support of the WCR. Most all are plausible and do make sense, with some just being ridiculous. I can't see where Posner's work is any more or less credible than some of the rest. With each book comes more fuel for the fire and still, we will never know exactly what the truth is. Each has to make up their own minds as to what they believe.

Some things that do disturb me is that much of the evidence that was returned to the Kennedy Family, meaning RFK and including remnants of JFKs brain, have disappeared long ago and cannot today be examined by modern forensics.

One final thing. At the time of the killing, I too owned a 6.5 Carcano for hunting in the Florida Everglades, as they were readily and cheaply available in most Department Stores at the time. It is a much better rifle than given credit for and shoots good. However, it is bolt action requiring a manual reload from the clip for each firing, making even three shots where two hit their targets, a moving target mind you, from that distance, shooting out of a 6th floor window at an angle, a difficult task for even an accomplished marksman. Add to that reports that the scope on Oswalds rifle wasn't even properly aligned and it adds more fuel to the controversy.

Like I said above, though. Everything we state on one side or the other is mostly speculation. If only much of the original evidence was still to be found, maybe it could be put to rest.

Currently there is a small group working on the recording of the shots from the day in hopes of settling exactly how many shots were fired, as that too is in question. Alas, we may never even know that.

Lots of questions, so few answers
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[Rdtf]

Listen to yourselves - why would you believe Gerald Posner's 'investigation' and book? What makes him so trustworthy? I don't believe Oliver Stones many theories, either, but there is more than enough evidence to convince me that there is much more than meets the eye than the Oswald nutbag theory, and that the Warren Commission's agenda was to cover something very big up.

[vet_supporter]

There were a great many things that did not add up to the WCR conclusions.

The first was that the alleged weapon had to be modified, not repaired, modified by a gunsmith before it could be sighted in for testing with the scope found with it. So not only was the alleged weapon not sighted in which would have made the weapon useless to hit anything, it was incapable of being sighted in.

Then, the best markmen in the country could not duplicate the superhuman marksmanship of the alleged killer with that now modified and sighted in rifle.

Finally, the HCA had to conclude, based on accoustic data from Dealy Plaza, that there had to be more than one gunman. The controversy over the data was the HAC acknowleged 5 shots but the data indicated that it could be as high as 8 or 9 shots; there was no dispute that there were more than three shots. But with the alleged weapon, despite the physical evidence that it could not have been used as found, anything more than 3 shots indicated more than one shooter. So, the HAC in their official report, acknowledged there had to be more than one shooter even with their conservative criteria for acknowledging how many extra shots.

This of course makes a conspiracy since it is unlikely that a couple of nutjobs decided to shoot at the same time in the same place to commit the crime of the century.

There is much other evidence that shows the WC was trying to cover something up. But the condition of the weapon and the later accoustic test data are pretty solid there was a conspiracy in the crime. Then, the official report of the HAC stating there had to be a second shooter and thus a conspiracy puts it in the public record.

Hence, Posner had to ignore the HAC report. The HAC report confirmed many of the conclusions of the numerous critics of the Warren Commission Report. It didn't really provide any other useful detail but putting into the record that there was more than one shooter pretty much invalidates the WCR conclusions.

[GM Strong]

First shot was short and straight, it missed. Two more by Oswald, a practiced marksman, hit. Why is that so hard to believe? So easy, the conspiracy guys won't believe it. Hell, I or you could have done it. Too simple??

The HAC report has been shown to be in error. No more no less.

Conspriacy theories are full in speculation, inuendo and little evidence. The number of people (hundreds) who would have to been involved would make it difficult to impossible cover. With as many as were involeved in the Warren Commission it would be impossible. I have my conclusion and if you disagree, I'm not going to convince you here. It is tantalizing, I'll admit, but I believe what I believe. Cheers. GMS
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[I B Squidly]

How the publisher got the autopsy notes and photos I'l never know but they were available at the local news agency in a folio sized, B&W special edition within weeks of the assasination. It showed an entrance wound in the back below the right shoulder blade penetrating 3/8" without a projectile remaining. It showed the nicked tie at the throat and the tracheotomy to remove the obstruction. There was an entry wound below and behind the right ear. Ican't remember any editorial content but the physical evidence was fixed in my mind and didn't match the Warren Report.

One of the Commissioners, Gerald Ford said J. Edgar Hoover had warned them early in the investigation that he suspected Oswald was CIA and they shouldn't look too close at him. Who knows what twisted agenda Hoover was following but the Commissioners obeyed his warning.

A young Arlen Specter (R/Pa) is the author of the 'Magic Bullet Theory'. John Connelly, the second victim of that marvelous round went to his death rejecting the concept. He carried enough shrapnel in his shoulder, wrist and thigh to debunk the pristine bullet presented as the culprit.

The only sure thing about the assasination is that the Warren Report was seriously flawed.
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