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Stevie Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 1451 Location: Queen Creek, Arizona
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 10:55 pm Post subject: Can someone help me find a few things / articles ??? |
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ok, I was gonna say a million dollars....
that'd be good also!
but really, I'm looking for some research someone
posted here like a year ago about the statistics of
casualties to those who flew the same
plane Bush did....
and I have NO idea what to search under (here) except 'plane';
duh....
also, I'm looking for the NV communist agenda list. the 7 or 10 point
list that Kerry was following.... ; I searched here under 'communist agenda' and got over 800 threads!!!
I don't think my body, let alone my eyeballs, would survive reading thru
all of those!
anyone got any ideas of what I can use to search on that would refine
it a bit (a whole lotta 'bit' ) ???
Is it any wonder I spend hours on the intenet and get nowhere??? _________________ Stevie
Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage
morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should
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GenrXr Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
Joined: 05 Aug 2004 Posts: 1720 Location: Houston
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 1:08 am Post subject: Re: Can someone help me find a few things / articles ??? |
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Stevie wrote: | also, I'm looking for the NV communist agenda list. the 7 or 10 point list that Kerry was following.... ; |
What your looking for can be found here, http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=puppets
Hope that helps. _________________ "An activist is the person who cleans up the water, not the one claiming its dirty."
"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to stand by and do nothing." Edmund Burke (1729-1797), Founder of Conservative Philosophy |
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Stevie Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 1451 Location: Queen Creek, Arizona
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 3:26 am Post subject: |
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genrXr - thanks sooo much! that's it! been wanting that list....
now, does anyone know a better word to search on than 'plane' fo find
the doc / post giving the stats on casualties flying the plane that GWB
did in the Nat'l Guard?
I don't remember what the plane was called....
TIA _________________ Stevie
Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage
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wonhyo Seaman Apprentice
Joined: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 85
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 3:36 am Post subject: the info is on page 178 |
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the plane info you are looking for is on page 178 Sat Aug 21 posted by llano - Bush & national guard- it is a locked topic down a couple of paragraphs, hope this helps |
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retire05 Seaman Recruit
Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 26
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 3:39 am Post subject: |
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Stevie, all I can tell you is this. I have a friend who is retired (38 years) TXANG mechanic. He and I talked about the plane that Bush flew and he said that they used to call the thing a flying coffin. He told me that two pilots died during training at Ellington AFB in Houston flying the very plane Bush did. He said that the pilots knew that the plane was inferior in many ways, but it was a really sweet plane to fly. Just probably the most dangerous of all planes the ANG had. The plane was an interceptor, mainly used for runs that would guard against an Soviet air strike. Runs were made from Tx. to Canada and back.
He also told me that the pilots had the respect of all who worked with them because of the dangerousness of the plane itself. A one seater death trap.
I will call him and see if I can find out where to get the records you are wanting. |
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GenrXr Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
Joined: 05 Aug 2004 Posts: 1720 Location: Houston
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 3:52 am Post subject: |
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Stevie check out this link,
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/history/q0185.shtml
Quote: | Regardless, the F-102 was still far more dangerous to fly than today's combat aircraft. Compared to the F-102's lifetime accident rate of 13.69, today's planes generally average around 4 mishaps per 100,000 hours. For example, compare the F-16 at 4.14, the F-15 at 2.47, the F-117 at 4.07, the S-3 at 2.6, and the F-18 at 4.9. Even the Marine Corps' AV-8B, regarded as the most dangerous aircraft in US service today, has a lifetime accident rate of only 11.44 mishaps per 100,000 flight hours. The F-102 claimed the lives of many pilots, including a number stationed at Ellington during Bush's tenure. Of the 875 F-102A production models that entered service, 259 were lost in accidents that killed 70 Air Force and ANG pilots. |
_________________ "An activist is the person who cleans up the water, not the one claiming its dirty."
"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to stand by and do nothing." Edmund Burke (1729-1797), Founder of Conservative Philosophy |
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Stevie Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 1451 Location: Queen Creek, Arizona
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 4:13 am Post subject: |
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oh wow! you guys are just awesome....
I should be able to narrow in on p 178!
and genrXr - that aerospace site piece is awesome for what I need it!
got a bunch of young liberal females who just called me
that bad word that starts with a F and ing ... and stupid at the end of it.
then, 'silly' and 'blowing hot air'
regarding how dangerous this plane was to fly....
'course, they are good at calling people names.... just not good
at having facts to back up what they say.
their a nasty bunch.... much take lessons from Howard Dean, Ted Kennedy, O'Donnell, etc...
and gee, I just love it when I'm right!!!
thanks! _________________ Stevie
Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage
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GenrXr Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 4:22 am Post subject: |
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Stevie wrote: | oh wow! you guys are just awesome....
I should be able to narrow in on p 178!
and genrXr - that aerospace site piece is awesome for what I need it!
got a bunch of young liberal females who just called me
that bad word that starts with a F and ing ... and stupid at the end of it.
then, 'silly' and 'blowing hot air'
regarding how dangerous this plane was to fly....
'course, they are good at calling people names.... just not good
at having facts to back up what they say.
their a nasty bunch.... much take lessons from Howard Dean, Ted Kennedy, O'Donnell, etc...
and gee, I just love it when I'm right!!!
thanks! |
I will always take time out of my day to give an assist to someone waging battle against our common enemy.
Btw, stick to facts and you will always crush a utopian fantasist who has never picked up a book not authored by Zinn or Chomsky. _________________ "An activist is the person who cleans up the water, not the one claiming its dirty."
"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to stand by and do nothing." Edmund Burke (1729-1797), Founder of Conservative Philosophy |
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Stevie Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 1451 Location: Queen Creek, Arizona
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:00 am Post subject: |
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and I thank you many times over for your help!
and thanks for the reminder to stick to the facts. that's what I try to do.
And that's why I wanted this info. I knew I'd read it here waaay back
when but my memory failed me on what the plane was called!
searching just 'plane' was ridiculous! Especially with my bad eye sight!
(I'm not good at searching anyway... but, I keep trying. Figure one of
these days, I'll get better at it).
I wanted to be ready for them with the info to back me up....not that
they asked for it. They don't care. Actually, they reminded me of O'Donnell screaming 'liar, liar' on MSNBC!!! LOL!
sometimes it is hard when they are calling you names etc.... ; I try to remember then, that IF THEY HAD ANY FACTS, they wouldn't have to
resort to calling me names!
Well, I'm off to the pits of hell now....but, I'm 'armed' with facts. _________________ Stevie
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kate Admin
Joined: 14 May 2004 Posts: 1891 Location: Upstate, New York
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:04 am Post subject: |
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Stevie,
re llano source referenced above...
llano's post at Sat Aug 21, 2004 11:33 pm
Post subject: Bush and the Nat'l Guard here
links to, and quotes from, www.aerospaceweb.org/
which GenrXr has kindly provided for you
digging to page 178 not needed _________________ .
one of..... We The People |
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