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[vietvet6769]

Anyone else want the real truth? Since only one person actually served on one of Kerry's boats, let's get to the truth through him. Steve Gardner served on one of Kerry's boats . Mr. Gardners version, and the rest of the crews version, vary greatly. For a solution I propose that one person volunteer to a polygraph examination. The question that needs to be answered once and for all is for Mr. Gardner. Did you , or did you not kill a young unarmed Vietnamese boy. Since Mr. Gardner has decided to go public, his record should be available as well. It is my understanding that none of the others in this group ever actually served on Kerry's boat. I will cover the cost of a professional polygraph examiner. I really do want to find out who is telling the truth. Those of us who actually served in Vietnam know, of course, that a 12 year old Vietnamese boy looks like a skinny 8 year old here in the U.S. By PROVING his truthfullness, Mr. Gardner can lend to the credibility of others in this group.

[baldeagl]

First of all, Gardner served with Kerry on PCF-44, not PCF-94. Kerry got all his medals while on PCF-94 except one - his first Purple Heart, which he got on a skimmer, not a PCF.

I don't think there's much that Gardner could add that he hasn't already been questions about and answered on the record publicly.

However, if you do an extensive search on the web, for Kerry's crewmates, you will find that they contradict each other constantly. The story changes each time it is told with only the basic outline staying the same.

Furthermore, the argument that "they" weren't on the boat simply won't fly. They all served in the same area, lived on the same base, went out on patrol together and risked their lives together. For example, on 3/13/69, when Kerry get his last Purple Heart and his Bronze, there were four other boats with him, all within eyesight of each other.

PCF-3, which hit the mine, was on Kerry's port side, within throwing distance. You don't need lie detectors. If you do the research, you'll find that Kerry and his crewmates haven't told the truth.

Or you could just buy the book and read it.
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[Navy_Navy_Navy]

Polygraphs are often unreliable - still useful as a tool in gathering psychological tools, but people can convince themselves in a specific version of the truth so well that they can take a polygraph and pass.

Conversely, someone can be so burdened with the possible outcome that they fail.

JM2¢,
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Altering course to starboard - On Fire, Keep Clear
Navy woman, Navy wife, Navy mother

[vietvet6769]

Some people may be confused concerning my posting. I simply said that one person can clear this up. I realize that polygraphs are not 100% reliable . However, in the hands of an expert it is VERY difficult to cheat. Why do people insist on changing the subject? Baldeagl, read the posting again - slowly.
This is not fail safe but at least we could finally feel better about who is telling the truth. Isn't that what we all want?

[Navy_Navy_Navy]

Honestly, I believe that you'll find less and less confusion surrounding any of the central issues once these quarter of a million copies of Unfit for Command are read.

And seriously, I do not trust polygraphs in even the most experienced hands. I would never recommend that someone submit to one. In a good operator's hands, they're a tool that's good for finding clues, but not proof of anything.
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~ Echo Juliet ~
Altering course to starboard - On Fire, Keep Clear
Navy woman, Navy wife, Navy mother

[HardCorps]

vietvet6769 first off I want to thank you for fighting for liberty, my old roommate D. Nguyen and his buddist family fled Vietnam after the fall and he always told me he owed his life to men like you- he is now a Paratrooper. I've met hundreds of Vietnamese, and Nung who feel the same way.

although I don't doubt that all honorable veterans want the truth and moreover why it is relevant to today, your post is in error: