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kmudd
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since Kerry claims the story he made up about being in Cambodia caused him not to trust the government isn't it fair to use the same story not to trust Kerry ?
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paideia
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 12:44 pm    Post subject: Almost like instant messanging Reply with quote

kmudd, I think you're directing the question in part to me so I'll reply.

What you say certainly makes sense. If someone makes an inaccurate statement, from a rhetorical standpoint, it is indeed grounds to doubt other statements they have made.

You asked about Paris. I haven't read as much about that incident. I'm trying to do so now. This forum moves pretty quick!
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ASPB
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smarter and more motivated than DU!
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Sun Tzu
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ccr wrote:
Sun Tzu, thank you.

That graphic really helped me understand how much coordination is going on in this battle as well. Can you post the URL for that?


http://www.blogsforbush.com/mt/archives/001759.html#001759
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paideia
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 1:02 pm    Post subject: Paris... Reply with quote

kmudd, I'll keep reading, but I'm honestly confused what the larger controversy is about Paris. I've read some blogs and some conservative online news pages that detail a debate about how many meetings Kerry had with Provisional Revolutionary Government in Paris in 1970. FBI files (stolen?) and a Kerry spokesman say one, while there's a quote in the Globe from Kerry that says "visits." Is there some suspicion that he did something unethical or illegal in trying to "bring an end to the killing" (the author of an article's summary of what he was doing in Paris)?

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ASPB
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two Visits. It's a simple google search to find both. Do your research.
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Polaris
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

paideia,

Yes. As a commissioned officer, meeting with a representative of an enemy power without explicit authorization is a felony. I forget the exact federal code, but it's quite explicit. In addition, Kerry could (and IMHO should) have been reactived and courtmartialed.

Furthermore if he coordinated with those representatives, he may have given "aid and comfort" to the enemy. That's treason.
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ASPB
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He did give aid and comfort. just look at the photo in the "War Remnants Museum" in Saigon! Lots of links here and at wintersoldier.
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kmudd
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is illegal for American citizens be in negotiations with the enemy why we are in a war.
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paideia
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 1:08 pm    Post subject: Sorry Reply with quote

Hey ASPB, this is an honest discussion we're all having. We're interested in helping each other form some opinion about this important controversy.

Please conduct yourself accordingly.
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paideia
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 1:09 pm    Post subject: Thanks Reply with quote

Thanks for the info, kmudd and Polaris. Is there a good summary of this I can read somewhere?
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Polaris
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes,

"Unfit for Command"

Seriously, it is a well researched, annoted book that reads a bit like a legal brief. It is also cross indexed with Tour of Duty and past Boston Globe interviews with Kerry...and much much more. It is suprisingly concise at about 250 pages.
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ASPB
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 1:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Sorry Reply with quote

paideia wrote:
Hey ASPB, this is an honest discussion we're all having. We're interested in helping each other form some opinion about this important controversy.

Please conduct yourself accordingly.


Son, I gave my blood to give you freedom of speech! I'm not quieting you unless you act like a fool and disrespect true American veterans. You're coming close....
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This link could help to understand things as well

http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=EdgeofTreason
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paideia
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks. I haven't read it yet. Both Tour of Duty and Unfit for Command have been both summarized and taken apart in the press (e.g., the Post article), making me hesitant to spend the $$. But, sounds like I should.

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