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[EODARMY]

Any Crew on PCF 43 Boat (Droz) Support Kerry's 13 March story as PCF 43 was immediately behind Kerry's PCF 94 boat when it was supposedly struck by the 2nd mine?

Another item strikes me as odd is Kerry's buttocks wound he claims from a mine detonation close to his boat PCF 94, thus ejecting Rassman. Naval mines are not designed to produce fragmentation, rather to break the back of a vessel. Thus you hear the story of the PCF 3 boat being lifted out of the water by 2-6 ft. As an old Explosive Ordnance Disposal guy it strikes me as odd that he would get fragged by an underwater mine!

[baldeagl]

Kerry wasn't fragged by the mine. He got the shrapnel in his butt earlier in the day when he threw a grenade into a pile of rice and didn't get away fast enough. He admits that in his book, Tour of Duty.
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[EODARMY]

I know he fragged himself, but I was just showing that even his stroy about a 2nd mine is illogical as water mines do not generate fragmentation. Anyone have any info on the crew members on the Droz boat PCF-43 as it was immediately behind Kerry's on the incident on the 13th.

[ETEE]

[EODARMY]

It would be very interesting to hear these guys as they were immediately behind Kerry on the 13th.

[Concerned]

[ASPB]

There has been nothing in the available data to determine how or when Rassman received a PH. None of the books on the matter. None of the Naval records released by the Kerry Campaign. None of the Navy records that have been privately researched and released to the Internet.

Nada!
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[zinfella]

How did Rassman get a PH from that day since he didn't get any medical treatment?
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[EODARMY]

I know he wasn't fragged by the mine. But he claims he was. What evidence does anyone have that he fragged himself on the rice???????/ None that I've heard other than he said--vs. he said. If these guys used frag grenades earlier in the day, the medical reports may well show medal consistent with a frag grenade. If they used an offensive blast grenade they would have rocks and rice in their backsides.

I raise the mine issue (kerry's allegation) because an under water mine does not generate frag. I have also read that a rocket was the source of the frag. The guys in the 43 boat which was immediately behind Kerry's would have an excellent vantage point of the incident.

I KNOW THAT KERRY ACTUALLY FRAGGED HIMSELF EARLIER THAT MORNING WITH THE RICE PILE INCIDENT!

[ASPB]

That's the point.

We don't have data other that a list of army PH's awarded during the period. No CAAR, no medical records, no Nada! Try to get the Special Forces guys who first posted this issue here to run it down.

They're as motivated as we are but they have contacts we don't .

And EOD, you're 100% right. There is no frag from a underwater Czech or Chinese C-4 improvised explosive device and that's exactly what almost all water mines in Nam were.

Tom
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[EODARMY]

IF KERRY FRAGGED HIMSELF THAT MORNING, ITS A POSSIOBILITY RASSMAN GOT FRAGGED WITH THE SAME INCIDENT. WE WILL NEVER KNOW UNLESS THE MED REPORT SHEDS SOME LIGHT. AND WE WILL NEVER KNOW THAT AS NEITHER WILL RELEASE THE MED RECORDS. KERRY'S ALLEGATION THAT AN UNDERWATER MINE GENERATED HIGH VELOCITY FRAG WITH ENOUGH ENERGY TO PENETRATE THE WATER AND HIS PILOTHOUSE IS UNLIKELY. IF WISH WE HAD THE PCF-43 VETS ON BOARD ON THIS ISSUE!

[ASPB]

You're right again. The circumstantial evidence supports our position.

How about demanding a SF-180 signature for Rassman as well as Kerry? GMG2 (E-5) David Alston as well!
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[EODARMY]

ANOTHER THING ABOUT THIS FRAG HE CLAIMS CAME FROM AN UNDERWATER MINE IS THAT THESE THINGS ARE NOT DESIGNED TO COME APART LIKE A FRAG HAND GRENADE. iF A CHUNK OF THIS MINE CASING BROKE ABOVE THE WATER IT IS MORE LIKELY IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A RAGGED CHUNK MAYBE THE SIZE OF YOUR FIRST. iF THAT HAD ENOUGH VELOCITY TO PENETRATE THE WATER AND THE PILOT HOUSE, KERRY WOULD HAVE COME HOME AT BEST MISSING ALOT OF STUFF!!!!!!!!!!!!! nOT A BAND-AID ON HIS ASS!!!!!!1

[ASPB]

EOD,

Respectfully, people won't read you if you're typing all upper case or capital letters. It's considered rude or uninformed on the net. Not a complaint just a suggestion.

To your question. The improvised explosive devices used as mines on the songs and dongs of Vietnam didn't normally even have metal in them. They were C-4 wrapped in plastic and sealed with wax to waterproof them.

Explosive force yes; shrapnel no! Just a fact!
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[EODARMY]

Well that's what I was thinking but then I'm not a Navy EOD type. I've also seen somewhere the story of Kerry being struck by a rocket, but the damage report he wrote on his boat doesn't seem to support this does it?