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bagpiper Seaman Recruit
Joined: 27 Aug 2004 Posts: 44
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 4:59 pm Post subject: Right o |
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Rocketfett,
I think you've hit the nail on the head....
I talked to my Aunt this morning, one of those who still thinks 'once a democrat always a democrat'....she's 70..
She has been really confused lately. I KNOW the SBVT ad's added to that confusion, she asked me, "You've never talked about Vietnam, could you tell me 'what's the deal with this Kerry guy?'
Ahhh, I said to myself 'gotcha'! I proceed to lay it out, 'between you and me', the level of anger I held towards this man, why I considered him a TRAITOR, and WHY Zell Miller was so angry was because Kerry hadn't changed since Vietnam. Once an AntiWar activist, always an activist. That the democratic party now stands for 'Citizens of the World', and would most likely dump the Constitution the first opportunity they get to 'join' the OWG. And then I told her, "every Vet who's ever died, in any war, would have died in vain."
With only a little back and forth, I told her "Vote your conscience, but don't tell me how you voted, because if you vote for Kerry and tell me, I'm liable to not ever speak to you again."
THAT turned the tide! ONE DEMOCRAT DOWN for Bush! If this conversation is going on all over the country, by regular folks, Kerry is TOAST...
BTW, she's still laboring under the impression that I am still a Democrat too...my party affilitation has been 'unaffiliated' since Carter... (nobody's business)
Yeah...go Swifties..go, go Swifties go....(a little cheer leading...!)
DMLambert
ex-SP4 '72-'75 |
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RocketFett PO3
Joined: 05 Aug 2004 Posts: 292
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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Bagpiper, excellent first hand account! Good for you AND your Aunt! I think that will be something that is a bigger trend than anyone has a clue about right now. Anyone but those involved. |
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corbe Seaman Recruit
Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 11 Location: New Braunfels, TX
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 9:15 pm Post subject: US Electoral Vote Predictor 2004 |
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My HTML skills are obviously Lacking so this is a Cut and Paste Thingy...This seems to be an excellent web site for Election Predictions, continuosly updated.
http://www.electoral-vote.com/ |
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larrygj Seaman
Joined: 20 Aug 2004 Posts: 166 Location: Newcastle, Washington
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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There's another subtle element in this week's convention that is having, I think, a subliminal effect on Main Street and the Reagan Democrats that might be showing in the polls: all those creepy protestors lurking about and every now and then committing assaults. It's not too hard for folks to make the connection: since these people hate Bush, and so many Democrats hate Bush, these creeps on the street must be Democrats. And Kerry is not disavowing them now, is he? Oh my... ...how so unfair...how insensitive...to jump to a conclusion like that...to assume such free-thinking, free-associating people would somehow be linked or co-ordinated by the Democratic Party. The Democrats would never do a thing like that, now would they?
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mangdawg Lt.Jg.
Joined: 27 Aug 2004 Posts: 116
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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the secret weapon, i think, is most of the anti-war crowd
from that time has now grown up and feeling very guilty about their betrayal of our boys in 'nam.
when vote day comes they have a chance to soothe their conscience and will vote against Kerry.
i'm sure that will happen then, when those curtains close.
look what happened in Desert Storm. the riotous celebrations was from those folks doing just that.
they where trying to cleanse their feelings of guilt.
it will happen again and the pols are gonna be in shock |
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Polaris Rear Admiral
Joined: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 626
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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Corbe,
The site you mention is good, but I am starting to have serious doubts. The web-site owner is an unabashed Democrate and strongly pro-Kerry. Until now that hasn't affected his intellectual honestly.....but if you read his recent changes and comments, that seems to be changing as Kerry is imploding. I don't expect it to be unbiased much longer.
A better site that includes approval ratings and demographic shifts as well as raw poll data (and thus a better model in terms of political science) is:
www.electionprojection.com _________________ -Polaris
Truth is Beauty |
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Richard Christiansen Ensign
Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 54 Location: Canon City, CO
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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Way to go Bagpiper. Maybe Swift Boat Vets have touched off what will become a landslide of common sense returning! Lets all work on our Democrat friends that still want to stand up for common sense! _________________ Big Red One & 25th, Lai Khe, Etc - 69-70 |
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markasass Lt.Jg.
Joined: 22 Aug 2004 Posts: 131
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 2:38 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | One thing that Limbaugh just said which I believe directly touches on this and the polling of the next couple weeks, is that Senator Miller's speech WILL effect and touch off a mass defection of Reagan Democrats, LEGITIMATE moderate democrats who are sick and tired of their party being hijacked by the liberal radical fringe elements. |
Quote: | Those Reagan Democrats are sick and tired of the pinko liberals cramming their coup takeover of their party down their throats and telling them to shut up. They will not let the kerrys, kennedys, mccauliffes, pelosis, and clintons steal their party anymore. |
Quote: | a fog of lies and self-deception that their party is still the party of FDR and JFKENNEDY. It's not. And they have known it for years, but never acted on it. |
Brilliant observations. These folks could result in a landslide for GWB.
Quote: | And he can't switch tacks to handle it because SBVT will NOT get off his back! Once you have your boot on a guys throat you keep it there! You do NOT change feet! |
WE MUST NOT TAKE OUR BOOTS OFF KERRY'S THROAT! Please remember, it is NOT over until it's over! _________________
"Do all the good you can. By all the means you can. In all the ways you can. In all the places you can. To all the people you can. As long as you ever can." - Wesley |
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silenthunter Ensign
Joined: 06 Aug 2004 Posts: 70 Location: small town, big hills, Colorado's great divide
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 5:51 am Post subject: |
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I was raised in a major metro area (Chicago) and lived on the west coast following my service in the Navy. I know big towns.
For the past ten years I've lived in Salida, Colorado. Population +/-8000, elevation 7900', and please don't anybody ask me why I'm here.
While in the L.A. area I worked doing Halon installations in high tech settings. One of the people I worked with was from Long Island, and one of the ladies who worked in the company office was named Susie Rasmussen. But, you see, this guy from Long Island just could not get a handle on her name, calling her "Rashmuffin" instead (I'm serious).
He did a similar job on other words, and I'm convinced it just wasn't in his vocabulary to eke out the correct procunciation of "Rasmussen."
So, like a silly song that just won't get itself out of my head, whenever I see the name I, of course, think "Rashmuffin."
All of that being said, and laying any pride aside, I have to ask you who the heck is this Rashmuffin (guy?) and why is (he?) so valid?
Whew! I feel better now. _________________ R.E. Gleason, YN2
Navy '67-'71
Staff, Rear Admiral James D. Ramage,
COMCARDIV7, '70-'71
USS Oriskany, CVA34, '69-'71
"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it won't be needed until someone tries to take it away." -- Thomas Jefferson |
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markasass Lt.Jg.
Joined: 22 Aug 2004 Posts: 131
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 6:05 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | All of that being said, and laying any pride aside, I have to ask you who the heck is this Rashmuffin (guy?) and why is (he?) so valid? |
Please go to http://www.rasmussenreports.com/ to learn about "Rashmuffin". _________________
"Do all the good you can. By all the means you can. In all the ways you can. In all the places you can. To all the people you can. As long as you ever can." - Wesley |
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FreeFall LCDR
Joined: 13 Aug 2004 Posts: 421
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 6:33 am Post subject: |
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The latest AOL straw poll has Bush taking all the states except Washington DC. Kerry had only 3 electoral votes, Bush had all the others!
http://www.electionguide04.com/straw_poll.adp
You have to be a member of AOL to vote and you are only allowed to vote once a month. |
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FreeFall LCDR
Joined: 13 Aug 2004 Posts: 421
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 6:35 am Post subject: |
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Vermont just changed to Kerry, he has two states now and 6 electoral votes. |
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