SwiftVets.com

[frankzzz]

There’s little doubt in my mind that, if they are asking for the records to be released, those records have been thoroughly purged.

It’s just like when they needed a 527 ad about Bush’s National Guard service to “denounce”, remarkable, out of the blue, the very next morning, moveon.org was running just such an ad.

Make no mistake about it, the Kerry campaign is in full damage control mode and there is not one world coming from the Kerry campaign that is not part of a larger script that will played out for the media.

I’ve felt right along that allowing the navy to “investigate” Kerry’s navy records was a not only not in the public’s interest but also a huge conflict of interest.

Although, the simple fact that he stalled the release of the records may still be used against him and, of course, all his post-navy antics. Indeed, I am amazed at the sheer number of Americans who are STILL not aware of Mister Kerry’s conduct upon being released from active duty.

So let’s not give up because there is still much ground to be gained. Let’s keep the pressure on him and force him to keep rewriting his script so he comes out looking like an even bigger liar in the end.

[Bernard Cullen]

[Mastour]

Wouldn't there be a microfich(sp) of his records?
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[azpatriot]

I still think it would be pretty impossible to "scrub" all of the information from all records. Yes his personal file would be no problem, but everyone has to realize that the there are copies of those records in other departments, and copies of those copies and on and on. Especially after his grandstanding in front of the senate in '71. Just a short list of places that would have copies of everything ( not just his military record ) would be a) FBI b) CIA c) NSA, heck even Nixon's family may still have a copy!

Nope I think HE definatly underestimated this can of worms, and now he can't find a trash bag big enough to stuff them all back into. You just wait he'll think he's got them all cleaned up and get cocky and say something like "Here! here are all my records!" and some clerk somewhere will pipe up and say "But thats not what I have in my copy in our official archives here!"
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[Navy_Navy_Navy]

Now see, here's something very interesting in and of itself - the Navy says there are 100 pages in his record.

I was a peacetime, shore-duty airedale with ONE school, ONE duty station, NO awards, three years of active - and my records consisted of a heqq of a lot more than a hundred pages.

There are right now 157 pages available on his web site and we KNOW there are a huge number of documents missing from that collection.

If the Navy's records contain only about a hundred pages, how much MORE incomplete are they than what we're allowed to see on the Kerry site?
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[jataylor11]

[directorblue]

Let's examine the background of Kerry's refusal to lend his signature to a Form 180.

1) There is mounting and credible (eye-witness) evidence that various incidents during the war were either fabricated or embellished (as outlined in the book _Unfit for Command_ ).

2) Kerry's campaign has repeatedly claimed that all records have been released, but that appears not to be the case ( http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/04/20/kerry_refuses_to_release_more_records?mode=PF ).

3) Lipscomb's report has a Navy spokesman implying that there are at least 94 unreleased pages in Kerry's file ( http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-lips27.html )

3) Kerry's hagiographer, Brinkley, has publicly stated the Kerry should sign a Form 180 and release his records ( http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/9/5/132437.shtml )

This all boils down to a simple conclusion, in my opinion. The file has not been scrubbed, otherwise it would have been released to destroy the Swiftvets' claims.

There must be some data in the file that supports the Swiftvets, in my estimation.
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[Billman]

Echo Juliet wrote: "There are right now 157 pages available on his web site and we KNOW there are a huge number of documents missing from that collection. If the Navy's records contain only about a hundred pages, how much MORE incomplete are they than what we're allowed to see on the Kerry site?"

Because the majority of his personnel records aren't held by the Navy. They are held by Archives in St. Louis and elsewhere, discussed at more length in prior posts.

I've wondered about this ever since the Post article. It's entirely possible that all those 100 pages are already on the Kerry website (and were simply not releasable independently to the Post's Michael Dobbs without Kerry's permission), and that the records we really need to see which are still missing from his site - like the after-action report and casualty report for the first PH, and recommendations for all his medals - are with Archives, not the Navy.

Many have opined that's why the campaign keeps saying "we've released all Kerry's Navy records". It may even be true.
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[Paul Woll]

My take is Brinkley is upset at Kerry for using him for a scapegoat for the 180 and for the lies that Kerry provided him that are thoroughly discrediting Brinkley as a historian.

I would be pissed. I think he is on damage control mode and has passed the buck back to Kerry to sign the forms, so that he can be portrayed as a victim and not someone who knowingly created a piece of fiction.

I think there is a lot of stuff still to be released.

[hanna]

If the records are not going to prove anything, then why go after them? Whats the point?

[gkdechow]

Never forget, "the military never printed less than 25 copies of anything, some got lost, some got destroyed, some were filed the right way and others were filed the "Army Way" (or I guess in this case the "Navy Way"). I wouldn't want to have to bet my life none of these pages will ever "float to the surface".

[Mooncusser]

hanna:

You go after them because they may reveal something.

They may reveal nothing. My point is that you don't depend totally on the official records. That is "don't put all your eggs in one basket."
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[one more captins mast]

So did little "hero" kerry , after any of his "baby killer TV moments"

talk of his "gun running, cia delivery boy ect work, no not until he

had lied to himself enough that he began to belive the lies, and

these nut case liers also lie to themselfs about their abilty to

"fool everone" they think that no one will catch them, and the


out of focus "spider web" of lies will not fit together.

He him self will begin to "mis fit parts of the lie scheme" he will

never notice nor will he accept that he has been caught in lies

it will be some one other than him that is at fault, he will be like he

is until the demon's who took him to the Dark Side come to take

him away , I just feel sorry for his children , what it must be like

to be comming to know your father lied to you, and caused you to

pass these lies on as the truth, that is one of the most ugly things

he had done, and how will he ever be forgiven that.
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