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zinfella · Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 6:21 am Post subject: BOR Wednesday night

Wednesday night will bring Laura Ingraham to guest on BOR's show. Considering what she wrote in her "Weekly E-Blast", ther may well be some fireworks bwtween her and BOR. Laura doesn't think BOR is playing the way he should, and mentions his sliming the Swiftees. Below is a copy of her weekly letter.

]Quote]Who's Looking Out For You?

There are a lot of amazing elements to the CBS/National Guard document story: CBS's initial "how-dare-these-internet-bloggers-question-us!" hubris, Dan Rather's refusal to see the writing on the wall, and Kerry's supporters' sheer stupidity in fueling this story in the first place. But when "no spin"-meister Bill O'Reilly chose to weigh in, it wasn't what you might have expected--namely, Bill didn't blast the elites at Viacom who are allowing the story to fester due their failure to take responsibility for the fishy documents. Instead, O'Reilly took the occasion to blast "right wing conservative talk show hosts" for pushing the story of the memos. "Because of the internet, everything has changed," he lamented, "It's just nuts."

But to millions of Americans, who listen to talk radio, scan the internet, and watch cable news, even more "nuts" were the days when the television news world was dominated by the likes of CBS, NBC and ABC. In those "good old days" Walter, Dan, Peter and Tom were the gatekeepers. And if we little people had problems with the bias, or with the stories that were never covered, well, it was just too bad. In those days, we little people didn't have folks like Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Matt Drudge, Rush Limbaugh, and enterprising bloggers holding the elites' feet to the fire when they needed it.

"Believe me, I know Dan Rather. In just a self-interest arena, someone like Rather or O'Reilly or Brokaw," O'Reilly insisted, "We're not going to do anything fraudulent, because our careers would just go-POOF!" Of course by that logic, none of the top execs at Enron or Tyco could possibly be guilty of any wrongdoing either because their careers would just go POOF! Ditto for any politician accused of wrongdoing.

Who knows why O'Reilly, once an elite-buster extraordinaire, seems to be in the middle of an extreme image makeover. Maybe it's more fun to shoot the breeze with P. Diddy than it is to shine the light on CBS. Maybe you get cooler cocktail party invites when you dismiss the Swift Boat Vets as bitter partisans. Maybe the seductive pull of the New York elite media was just too much for him. Whatever the reason, one thing is for sure-Fox News, talk radio, and internet news sites have broken through by challenging the elites, not by becoming like the elites.

Newsweek, The Washington Post, and the Dallas Morning News are all covering the CBS/National Guard documents story largely because of the work of ambitious bloggers who did the initial leg work. Yes, talk radio listeners want to hear the latest on this. Why is that disturbing to some? Who is to say that this story is any less legitimate than 24/7 hurricane coverage? Broadcast networks demand accountability-as they rightly should-from the Bush Administration in its handling of Iraq, the economy, and even the President's National Guard Service. So why do they resist the public holding them accountable in their reporting?

The network dinosaurs won't admit it, but they prefer those "good old days" when they were the only game in town. It was much easier when they reported and you listened. You can't blame them for being bitter, really. They know their days are numbered. We don't need them anymore. And this infuriates them. Tom Brokaw, in a speech to the National Press Club, targeted "right wing radio" as "jingoistic." Peter Jennings has made no secret of his own disdain for this brave new media culture. All those people out there, listening to talk radio, and wearing flag lapel pins! What is this country coming to?

O'Reilly has chosen an odd moment in history to embrace the old media. We were tired of their arrogance twenty years ago and it's no more charming today. And we don't plan on ceding their monopoly back to them. Conservatives in 1964, 1974 and 1984 were just as frustrated with liberalism as they are today, but the difference is, back then they had no media outlets where their views were heard. Now they are.

Power to the People.
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msindependent · Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 7:14 am Post subject:

"Believe me, I know Dan Rather. In just a self-interest arena, someone like Rather or O'Reilly or Brokaw," O'Reilly insisted, "We're not going to do anything fraudulent, because our careers would just go-POOF!"

I agree with the way Bill thinks, yes, he is one of them. Thanks for the info, I wouldn't know since I don't watch the spinmeister anymore.

Stevie · Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 7:53 am Post subject:

yep, she sure pecked bor.... I just sent him another email....

and Imus also....
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leeinwv · PO3 Joined: 22 Jul 2004 Posts: 268

I used to love to watch Bill , but not anymore. I watch Sean hannity

Dimsdale · Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 1:50 pm Post subject:

SangRun Hunter · PO1 Joined: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 462 Location: Zinzinnati

His ego has gotten to him since he's been no. 1 for a while.

The guys used to due Inside edition at one time, does that explain it?

His whole career he has wanted to be an elite with all the respect one gets from that.

In Ann Coulter's book she shows how Bill lis a liberal even if he does seem to have common sense at times.

He's not going to change his stripes.
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vietnamvet173 · Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 2:16 pm Post subject:

RivanG · Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 2:40 pm Post subject:

Anyone see one of BOR's minions attempt to get Jane Fonda to come on the factor?

She was wearing a "Value your V (a restricted word in this forum)... Vote" t-shirt. So I guess this is one of Hanoi Jane's latest projects... www.vday.com

SangRun Hunter · PO1 Joined: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 462 Location: Zinzinnati

one more captins mast · LCDR Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 438 Location: Texas

Billy o/real/ly flew out of his "mirror" and thinking that he could

fly in the current conditions, took off with only "VFR" certs.

When he flew into the "cloud of truth" of Unfit for Command"

not knowing what to do, he pulled up hard on the "controls"

causeing him to "stall" weeks ago, and now he has only the

Bill "spins in" zone left.

other than that have a nice day bill
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zinfella · Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 3:56 pm Post subject:

It does appear that Bill O'Reilly is going through some sort of metamorphasis. Last night he was spinning. For example, after admonishing CBS over the forgery papers, and saying that they lacked any real evidence about Bush's Guard service. BOR alluded many times to bush having recieved privileged treatmant in the Guard. Yet he didn't offer even one piece of evidence to back that assertion.

Some people can't handle success at the level that BOR has attained. It sure looks to me like BOR has a very inflated opinion of his own worth. Making unsubstantiated remarks is what he used to go after others for. Now he is sliming Bush, and he continues to say that the Swiftees are not 100%, but doesn't offer any examples of the either. He is acting just like the Kerry backers, spin, spin, spin.
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Steve Z · Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 4:23 pm Post subject: No? Spin Zone

Bill O'Reilly must be under the weather.

He's starting to spin to the left, just like all the hurricanes!

But if he could get Laura Ingraham and Jane Fonda in the same segment, THAT would be a stormy debate!

I wonder what questions Sean Hannity would ask Jane Fonda...
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srmorton · Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 4:43 pm Post subject:

I agree with a lot of what is being said about Bill. I have always
enjoyed Sean's program much more than BOR. I really began to
notice a "decline" after his interview with Michael Moore during the
DNC. I thought it was awful, but he "spun" it as if he had come
out on top. It was, at best, a draw, but he let Michael Moore get
away with some outrageous statements.

In this case, however, Bill may be sincere in saying that, in his
opinion, no newsperson would knowingly do what Rather did
because it would irreparably damage his career. I think Bill is
ALL about his career. He pretends to be even-handed because
it is good for the image he is projecting. Rather does not even
pretend to be impartial and he was arrogant enough to think that
he could get away with what he did. Thanks to FOX news, Rush,
and Laura, Rather is not going to be able to escape this time!
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sround · Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 7:52 pm Post subject:

TEWSPilot · Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 8:22 pm Post subject:

Maybe BOR can't accept the concept that Rather has finally outted himself as a journalistic "suicide bomber" for the DNC. Until Rather shows up on the set wearing a bomb belt, BOR will continue to defend him. BOR's blatant affront to the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth and his laughable "We fully vetted the issue, and I'm going with the PRIMARY SOURCES, the guys who were THERE" mantra cost him his credibility with a large segment of his former audience -- including me. His current defense of Rather and CBS with "blah, blah, blah, credibility, blah, career would go POOF, blah, blah, blah" just confirms his obstinant bias. He has overestimated his appeal to the viewers and underestimated the power of alternative media.

...maybe he and Rather can help each other work on their resumes.
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