SwiftVets.com

[kate]

This freeper's site has some good Kerry stuff
http://www.peteandrews.net/site/2004/kerry.htm

posting it here, because they have got Both of the Swiftees ads there. Faster, easy loading

Ad#1 Any Questions...here.

http://www.peteandrews.net/site/2004/swiftboat_veterans_ad.htm


Ad#2 Sellout....here
http://www.peteandrews.net/site/2004/swiftboat_veterans_ad2.htm

And..the Press Conference..here
http://www.peteandrews.net/site/2004/swift_boat_veterans_for_truth_pr.htm
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[Navy_Navy_Navy]

For some reason, the bb WILL NOT show the link to the first ad as a URL.

So, here's a link to the second ad - copy and paste it into your browser address bar, delete the "2" right before the htm and hit enter and you'll get the first ad.

http://www.peteandrews.net/site/2004/swiftboat_veterans_ad2.htm

This is one of the wierdest things I've ever seen - something like it happened once before with an image.

These two links are identical except for the "2" so why it won't show without the "2" is beyond me..... twilight zone stuff.
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[kate]

Steve Gardner Interview
The Michael Savage show, 8/6/2004

http://horse.he.net/~swiftpow/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=16371&sid=7cc3ff6c9b6d3903594d0892336c8a92#16371
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[kate]

Kerry Medical record info / other links

http://horse.he.net/~swiftpow/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2753&sid=7cc3ff6c9b6d3903594d0892336c8a92
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[EndTimeTruth]

I posted this in another thread but it seems appropriate here too.
Hi guys. Retired 98G "reporting for duty"!




As told by Cockburn and St. Clair, in "an entry from his diary about a subsequent excursion, written on December 11, 1968, nine days after the incident that got Kerry his medal," Kerry asserted that his crew remained cocky and feeling invincible "because we hadn't been shot at yet, and Americans at war who haven't been shot at yet are allowed to be cocky." Brinkley cites this same entry, but avoids assigning it a date. That might be too obvious, apparently.

Regardless, this plainly reads as an admission that two weeks after a purported firefight, Kerry in fact remained an American at war who had yet to face combat. Given that Kerry's boatmates that night also question the presence of hostile fire, this should settle things. Voters can be spared surrogates lacking first-hand knowledge who are sent to shout down eyewitness testimony.
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPrint.asp?Page=%5CCommentary%5Carchive%5C200408%5CCOM20040820b.html

Cockburn and St. Clair are Leftists who have no time for Kerry's Lies. Good article.


Hail, the Conquering War Criminal Comes!
What Kerry Really Did in Vietnam
By ALEXANDER COCKBURN
and JEFFREY ST. CLAIR
July 29, 2004

(snip)

On December 2, Kerry went on his first patrol up one of the canals. It was near midnight when the crew caught sight of a sampan. Rules of engagement required no challenge, no effort to see who was on board the sampan. Kerry sent up a flare, signal for his crew to start blazing away with the boat's two machineguns and M16 rifles. Kerry described the fishermen "running away like gazelles".

Kerry sustained a very minor wound to his arm, probably caused by debris from his own boat's salvoes. The scratch earned him his first Purple Heart, a medal awarded for those wounded in combat. Actually there's no evidence that anyone had fired back, or that Kerry had been in combat, as becomes obvious when we read an entry from his diary about a subsequent excursion, written on December 11, 1968, nine days after the incident that got Kerry his medal. "A cocky air of invincibility accompanied us up the Long Tau shipping channel, because we hadn't been shot at yet, and Americans at war who haven't been shot at are allowed to be cocky."
He got two more Purple Hearts, both for relatively minor wounds. Indeed Kerry never missed a day of duty for any of the medal-earning wounds.

(snip)

It's very striking how we never find, in any of Kerry's diaries or letters, the slightest expression of contrition or remorse--and Brinkley would surely have cited them had Kerry ever written such words. Nor did Kerry, in his later career as a self-promoting star of the antiwar movement, ever go beyond generalized verbiage about accidents of war, even as many vets were baring their souls about the horrors they had perpetrated.

(snip)

How He Won His Silver And Bronze Stars

The incident that won US Navy lieutenant John Kerry his Silver Star, thus lofting him to the useful status of "war hero", occurred on February 28, 1969. His Swift boat was ferrying US "explosives experts" and some South Vietnamese soldiers up the Dong Cung river. After dropping them off, Kerry's boat came under small arms fire. Kerry turned the boat toward the source of the shots, beached the boat and opened up at the forest with the boat's .50 and .60 caliber machine guns.

By beaching the boat Kerry was disobeying standard orders forbidding this on the grounds that it made the craft and its crew a sitting duck. Kerry's motive? As crew member Michael "Duke" Medeiros explained it to Kerry's biographer, Douglas Brinkley, it was a matter of verifying kills. "We never knew whether we killed any VC or not. When fired upon, he [Kerry] wanted to beach the boat and go get the enemy."

The boat's machine-guns had in fact killed a Vietnamese, described as "a VC guerilla", and they took evidence [undescribed] from the body.

The boat continued downstream and was fired on once more, by a rocket-propelled grenade launcher. Here's where accounts of the event diverge markedly, depending on the interests of the various narrators. The citation for Kerry's Silver Star describes the event this way: "With utter disregard for his own safety and the enemy rockets, he again ordered a charge on the enemy, beached his boat only ten feet from the VC rocket position, and personally led a landing party ashore in pursuit of the enemy. Upon sweeping the area an immediate search uncovered an enemy rest and supply area which was destroyed. The extraordinary daring and personal courage of Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY in attacking the n numerically superior force in the face of intense fire were responsible for the highly successful mission."

This citation, issued by Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, was based on the incident report, written by John Kerry. Missing from the Zumwalt version was a dramatic confrontation described by Kerry 27 years later in 1996, in the heat of a nasty relection fight against Republican William Weld, when Kerry was seeking a third senate term. Kerry imparted to Jonathan Carroll, writing for the New Yorker, a story going as follows: he had faced down a Viet Cong standing a few feet from him with a B-40 rocket launcher; "It was either going to be him or it was going to be us", Kerry told Carroll. "It was that simple. I don't know why it wasn't us--I mean, to this day. He had a rocket pointed right at our boat. He stood up out of that hole, and none of us saw him until he was standing in front of us, aiming a rocket right at us, and, for whatever reason, he didn't pull the trigger--he turned and ran. He was shocked to see our boat right in front him. If he'd pulled the trigger, we'd all be dead. I just won't talk about all of it. I don't and I can't. The things that probably really turn me I've never told anybody. Nobody would understand."

(He may not have wanted to talk but he certainly liked to screen. The first time Kerry took Hollywood star Dana Delany to his home in the Eighties she says his big move was showing her video clips taken of him in the Navy when he was in Vietnam. She never went out with him again. (As he prepared to make his grand entry to the Democratic convention in Boston, stories circulqatyed that Kerry had reenacted his skirmishes, filming them with an 8mm camera for later political use.)

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http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07292004.html

Editing to say that this is my first post here and hello. Great forum and high time this stuff got mainstream attention.

[oasis]

Hello,

An Open Letter to Senator John McCain from a Vietnam Veteran
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[hiyall]

Here is link to David Limbaugh article with some observations of his and his scorecard.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/davidlimbaugh/dl20040827.shtml

[cipher]

http://horse.he.net/~swiftpow/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=44857#44857

(Regarding the 4 bronze campaign stars on Kerry's VSM. The claim is valid and the issue should not be pursued. Navy documentation source (Not Kerry's!) cited.)

The pertinent page from the OPNAVNOTE 1650 is here (PDF Format):

http://neds.nebt.daps.mil/Directives/o1650/encl3shipg.pdf

The pertinent page citing the campaigns for the VSM with dates (html)

http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/stream/faq45-25.htm

This added because of some confusion about the stars significance on the VSM. The stars do NOT indicate ADDITIONAL AWARDS of the VSM, as they do on other medals (as in a star in lieu of a second award on a Bronze Star Medal, for example). The stars on the VSM indicate the participation in any of the 17 consolidated campaign periods, between 1962 and 1973. The ribbon represents the service, the stars indicate the campaigns.

Because Kerry was in Vietnam territorial waters during two campaign periods while aboard the USS GRIDLEY, and in country with the Swifts for two additional campaign periods, he rates 4 campaign stars on his VSM
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[SooZQ]

EXCEPTIONALLY ARTICULATE POINT BY POINT RESPONSE TO TYPICAL MEDIA DISTORTIONS IN AN EDITORIAL. SUPERB INFORMATION!! A MUST READ FOR EVERYONE!!

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[edrice]

Thanks for all your work! As a 4th Infantry Division vet (Pleiku), you people have motivated me to make my own web page concerning Kerry's '71 statements -

http://members.cox.net/pleiku/vietnam.shtml

Hope you enjoy! (I hope I put this in the right place)

Thanks,
Ed

[sevry]

Not necessarily on these boards, but links I've found useful in learning about the era, signal codes, and the like:

Signals:

CCEB ACP books (JANAP128J, ACP 131, ACP 126, etc)
Z and Q codes
More Z codes
Routing Indicators and messages
Modern Signals (ACP 128A)
CT Ratings History

Vietnam:

Sea, Air and Land
The Riverine Book
MRFA, base histories, boat histories, campaigns, admin codes, this, that, etc. - everything
detailed DOD/NatGeo Maps

 

[pneal]

Check out this site it is very compelling and a must see. They need help getting the documentary made. Look out Michael Moore, this is a "real" documentary. These men speak from experience and the pain of betrayal, from one of their own. These men may not have been "on the boat" with Kerry either, but they were certainly effected by him and his treason, just the same.

http://stolenhonor.com/documentary/samples.asp
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[pneal]

http://www.KerryLied.com

Operation Street Corner - build your own anti-Kerry display. Instructions for creating a display with a wardrobe packing box and the printable materials on this site.
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Documents scanned by volunteers from this board and hosted by stcromwell99:

NAVAL ARCHIVES - SEPT 2004

The Sections are organized as follows:

New Kerry Spot Reports
New January Docs
New February Docs
New March Docs
New Misc
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[Navy_Navy_Navy]

Kerry's Publicly-Known Medical Records:
http://horse.he.net/~swiftpow/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2753
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Altering course to starboard - On Fire, Keep Clear
Navy woman, Navy wife, Navy mother