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Jesse Seaman Recruit
Joined: 06 Oct 2004 Posts: 5
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 1:11 am Post subject: |
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I think there is a lot more to the Iraqi WMD story than we are seeing or probably will ever see.
Here's an article that will knock your socks off if you haven't read it;
Iraqi WMD Debate and Intelligence: the Links to Libya
This article holds Iraq was conducting its WMD programs outside its borders, (with Libya, Egypt, Iran, North Korea), since the early 90s. I don't buy the idea the coalition governments didn't know about the Iraq-Libya-Egypt-Iran-DPRK WMD linkages , I think it's more likely they knew, at least to some extent, and chose to "crack the coconut" at its weakest point, Iraq.
Here are a couple sections that might explain why this information isn't coming out in the MSM;
Quote: | It is critical to bear in mind that for the preceding decade and more, Qadhafi had consistently denied that he was engaged in WMD programs, denying also any links with Islamist terrorists or terrorists of any kind. This lie was accepted by the international policy community, and yet when Qadhafi admitted what GIS had long said was the case — that such Libyan WMD programs did, in fact, exist8 — he was greeted as a reformer by the UK Government of Prime Minister Tony Blair, and also by some US politicians. Equally significant is the fact that Qadhafi had ensured that, through the Lockerbie settlement, significant funds (up to $900-million) were to go to Washington and New York law firms, providing a pressure point on Washington policymakers of almost unprecedented levels. For many politicians, there was more to be gained by carefully assisting Qadhafi than in exposing him. |
Quote: | For many career intelligence and diplomatic officials, acknowledgement of the Iraq-Libya-Egypt-Iran-DPRK linkages (but particularly Iraq-Libya), at this stage, would be embarrassing. These officials have chosen the approach that, if all goes well, the Libya “problem” will now go away, albeit leaving a considerable gap in the public knowledge which could be politically beneficial to the re-election of US Pres. George W. Bush. |
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Fort Campbell Vice Admiral
Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 896
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 1:15 am Post subject: |
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I had to turn off the TV this evening because this CIA report of no WMDs was all they were talking about. I can just imagine what Kerry is going to do with that tomorrow night. The timing of much of this "official" information dismays me. Paul Bremer just had to give his "opinion" on troop numbers right before the VP Debate and now the CIA report on no WMDs is released today? Just about the time I think we are making headway I feel as if we are being deliberatley smacked back down. I certainly hope that all of you are correct in your thoughts that Cheney has some good news about these WMDs. Personally I am discouraged at all of it seeming to favor Hanoi John.  |
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2ndamendsis PO3
Joined: 08 Sep 2004 Posts: 288 Location: NJ
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 1:52 am Post subject: |
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Jesse,
could you please post a link to that information?
Thanks _________________ PROUD wife of Army ASA Vet - 66-70
mom of Sailor - Gulf 1
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Jesse Seaman Recruit
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ProudDaughterofVet Commander
Joined: 13 Aug 2004 Posts: 340 Location: New York
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 4:20 am Post subject: |
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We should of told Libya..you want a big "good job"..then tell us where the WMD's and all info from Iraq is! Someone dropped the ball here. I do believe that both Syria, and Libya and who knows who else has these weapons and info..there is no need to hide this info from the public..none. Get it out there, NOW, because Kerry will pounce tomorrow on this darned report, and we all know it. If Bush has an October surprise, he better start springing it now.
I am not anxious..not about the election, I am getting angry that day after day we have to get pounded over the head with the same crap from the MSM about those WMD's..SH is evil pig and should be in prision, we did the right thing if only for the sake of humanity..Kerry demands more action in the Sudan due to genocide, yet he forgets that SH was the master of genocide, the mass graves are perfect examples..that alone justifies this war for me..no need to explain about WMD's any further..
Just a bit peeved tonight folks, so excuse the rant..but had to say my piece.
PD _________________ "We will not tire, We will not falter, We will not fail."
-President George W. Bush
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FreeFall LCDR
Joined: 13 Aug 2004 Posts: 421
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 5:06 am Post subject: |
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I had to turn off the TV this evening because this CIA report of no WMDs was all they were talking about. I can just imagine what Kerry is going to do with that tomorrow night. The timing of much of this "official" information dismays me. Paul Bremer just had to give his "opinion" on troop numbers right before the VP Debate and now the CIA report on no WMDs is released today? Just about the time I think we are making headway I feel as if we are being deliberatley smacked back down. I certainly hope that all of you are correct in your thoughts that Cheney has some good news about these WMDs. Personally I am discouraged at all of it seeming to favor Hanoi John.
There's more to the story than this screaming headline. Hussein did have WMD, but not "STOCKPILES". Next time they start spinning NO WMD, they will eventually throw in the the word "stockpiles", but only after they delcare No WMD, which is very misleading.
Plus the ISG leader, Duelfer, at the hearing today indicated that the UN sactions were breaking down, it was just a matter of time before they broke down completely, and countries such as Russia were already selling Iraq banned materials. Plus, Hussein had every intention of starting up programs again once he felt he was ready to. There will probably be more about this in the next couple of days. |
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Rdtf CNO
Joined: 13 May 2004 Posts: 2209 Location: BUSHville
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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I think that the timing of Libya cooperating with us on their weapons is suspect... They probably figured by us going after Saddam we'd find out their link and hit them next. Libya might be the reason this hasn't hit the news! Seems like a lot for Bush Admin to sacrifice, though.
The CIA has worked against Bush on this whole matter - read laurie Mylroies books. Bush Vs. The beltway - great one.
Hey ya never know - this could be the October surprise maybe proof Bin Laden is dead and has been since Tora Bora was it until Tereeeeza ran her mouth.
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CTW Rear Admiral
Joined: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 691
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with recent posters on this thread. Angst and queazy. I believe the media is creating the melodrama for ratings however, the OIM is the source of info for most voters. The name calling is outrageous and they are on a blitz to ruin this president and ultimately the country. I see the RNC advisors out and telling the truth. I believe people hear them.
Where on the OIM are the recent docs being discussed? Rathergate may have scared all the media personalities.
I am in Tallahassee. Who knew Bush/Cheney were here yesterday????? CTW
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Rdtf CNO
Joined: 13 May 2004 Posts: 2209 Location: BUSHville
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Stevie Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 1451 Location: Queen Creek, Arizona
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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Anker-Klanker wrote: | Good point:
Quote: | did anyone on here hear on the news about 4-6 wks ago that a Iraqi scientist said that just before we invaded them, the border guards were pulled off the Syrian border, Saddams special forces were put there - a lot of trucks went across the border into Syria, then the special forces left and the regular border guards came back?? |
I saw it and remember it. Must have been on Fox since I hardly ever watch anything else.
Indeed, what did happen to this information? I've not heard a thing about it since.
I do get the feeling that must be a lot going on behind the scenes, the by-product of which is that a lot of stories like this are getting repressed for some reason. (At least that thought gives me some comfort). |
I'm so glad someone else heard it also (I did think it was on fox but I was half asleep and wasn't sure) ; I was beginning to think it was a dream !
I couldn't believe I didn't hear any more after that ! I also heard something about scientists coming forward and then ending up dead. It was about the same time as the other 'cause I remember thinking ' I hope nothing happens to that scientist and I hope we are giving him good protection' ; then nothing ! not even anymore from Fox - think I'll email Hannity on this one.... _________________ Stevie
Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage
morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should
be arrested, exiled or hanged.
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Rdtf CNO
Joined: 13 May 2004 Posts: 2209 Location: BUSHville
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noc PO1
Joined: 24 Aug 2004 Posts: 492 Location: Dublin, CA
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2004 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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Shouldn't these documents have been authenticated by now? or are they just sitting on them? It would be great to get this information out, so we can stop hearing the MSM drone on about no connections to terror and no WMD. |
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noc PO1
Joined: 24 Aug 2004 Posts: 492 Location: Dublin, CA
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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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These documents have been authenticated by several sources now.
Inspector's Report Bolsters Credibility of Iraqi Intelligence Documents
By Scott Wheeler
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
October 13, 2004
http://www.cnsnews.com/specialreports.asp
(CNSNews.com) - A report issued on Oct. 6 by the CIA's chief inspector in Iraq provides details that corroborate information contained in 42 pages of Iraqi intelligence documents obtained by CNSNews.com.
The so-called Duelfer report, named for its author, Charles Duelfer, is widely recognized for declaring that no stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction have been found in Iraq. Other details of the report, however, provide a glimpse of what some Iraq experts say is Saddam's attempt to continue to wage war against the U.S. after the first Gulf War ended.
"M14 ... was responsible for training and conducting special operations missions. It trained Iraqis, Palestinians, Syrians, Yemeni, Lebanese, Egyptian, and Sudanese operatives in counterterrorism, explosives, marksmanship, and foreign operations at its facilities at Salman Pak," the Duelfer report states.
Salman Pak is a suspected Iraqi terrorist training camp located 15 miles southeast of Baghdad.
M14 is a reference to Iraqi intelligence directorate of special operations. The Iraqi documents obtained by CNSNews.com show a list of 92 individuals of various national origins who were described in the documents as having "finished the course at M14."
The documents also refer to some individuals on the list as having been trained "inside the martyrs act camp that belonged to our directorate."
Laurie Mylroie, an expert on Iraq, said that sections of the Duelfer report help to explain Iraq's intent for the programs discussed in the 42 pages of Iraqi intelligence documents obtained by CNSNews.com.
"At the time of the 2003 Gulf War, this is what the Iraqis were doing," Mylroie told CNSNews.com. "That section of the [Duelfer] report dealing with the Iraqi intelligence service, including M14, very much corroborate the legitimacy and significance" of the 42 pages of Iraqi documents, Mylroie added.
On Oct. 4, CNSNews.com reported that it had obtained 42 pages of Iraqi intelligence documents that showed Saddam had been a state sponsor of terrorism against the U.S., had several ties to al Qaeda that had not been previously reported, and possessed anthrax and mustard gas. |
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Aristotle The Hun PO1
Joined: 18 Aug 2004 Posts: 488 Location: Naples FL
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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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Kimmymac wrote: | Hello. May I introduce you to the first salvo in the war that will become The October Surprise?
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So right you are. I have been saying that this will be an incremental surprise. Well here it comes. Like a birthday party where you just keep opening eye popping gifts one after another.
Sam _________________ Deportè Monsieur Kerrè |
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Kimmymac Master Chief Petty Officer
Joined: 01 Sep 2004 Posts: 816 Location: Texas
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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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Everyone wanted shock and awe. How about a ground pounding/special op victory instead? I know it ain't as dramatic, but victory, by another name, would smell as sweet, oui? _________________ The last refuge of scoundrels is not patriotism; it is finicky liberal humanitarianism.--Martin Paretz |
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